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[WIRED]Uber's Self-Driving Car Just Killed Somebody. Now What?

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At about 10 pm on Sunday evening, a self-driving Uber struck and killed a woman crossing the street in Tempe, Arizona. The crash appears to be the first time a self-driving vehicle has killed someone—and could alter the course of a scantily regulated, poorly understood technology that has the power to save lives and create fortunes.

The Tempe Police Department reports the Volvo XC90 SUV was in autonomous mode when the crash occurred, though the car had a human safety driver behind the wheel to monitor the technology and retake control in the case of an emergency or imminent crash. The woman, Elaine Herzberg, was transported to a local hospital, where she died from her injuries. The police department will complete its full report later today.
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And Volvo wanted to increse their car accident rate to 0% with this tech. Woman was apparently not on pedestrian cross.

edit: Electric cars are the real problem, You will text on phone and not hear car approaching cause it has no egine noice at low speed. All major car companyes are shifting to hybrid/combustion tech, and no one finds this a thread.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Pro3ootector View Post
And Volvo wanted to increse their car accident rate to 0% with this tech. Woman was apparently not on pedestrian cross.

edit: Electric cars are the real problem, You will text on phone and not hear car approaching cause it has no egine noice at low speed. All major car companyes are shifting to hybrid/combustion tech, and no one finds this a thread.
Texting and stepping into traffic is user error. Some car companies have been experimenting with adding white noise to make their vehicles audible at low speed to try and combat this, but ultimately it's up to the pedestrians to put the phone down to cross the street.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Pro3ootector View Post
And Volvo wanted to increse their car accident rate to 0% with this tech. Woman was apparently not on pedestrian cross.

edit: Electric cars are the real problem, You will text on phone and not hear car approaching cause it has no egine noice at low speed. All major car companyes are shifting to hybrid/combustion tech, and no one finds this a thread.
Actually, it was 10 PM at night... so it was probably really dark outside. The car was travelling at 40 MPH. Assuming that the car lights were on at 10 PM (if not, *** was that backup driver doing there). The woman probably didn't look before crossing and popped out of nowhere. That or uber self-driving technology sucks. Either way, the woman's family deserves to be heavily compensated for their loss.
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Actually, it was 10 PM at night... so it was probably really dark outside. The car was travelling at 40 MPH. Assuming that the car lights were on at 10 PM (if not, *** was that backup driver doing there). The woman probably didn't look before crossing and popped out of nowhere. That or uber self-driving technology sucks. Either way, the woman's family deserves to be heavily compensated for their loss.
If the woman didn't look before crossing, then a human driver would have killed her too, and her family will get a nice payout for her negligence.

We won't know what happened yet until the investigation.

Were the brakes applied?
Did the human driver take over?
Did the woman do something dangerous?
Was the woman visible?

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A self-driving Uber SUV struck and killed 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg as she walked her bicycle across a street in Tempe, Arizona, Sunday night, according to the Tempe police. The department is investigating the crash.

Rafael Vasquez, a 44-year-old test driver from Uber, was behind the wheel of the Volvo XC90 SUV at the time, the police said.

Based on preliminary information, the car was going approximately 40 mph in a 35 mph zone, according to Tempe Police Detective Lily Duran.

Police say the investigation does not at this time show significant signs of the SUV slowing before the crash. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office will determine whether charges will be filed.

"The vehicle involved is one of Uber's self-driving vehicles," the Tempe police said in a statement. "It was in autonomous mode at the time of the collision, with a vehicle operator behind the wheel."

Autonomous mode means the car is driving on its own. During tests, a person sits behind the wheel as a safeguard.
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Regardless of who is at fault, it's terrible the woman lost her life. This could have far reaching implications across self-driving technology...or none at all. This might be the first time a pedestrian was killed by a self-driving car, but it's definitely not the first fatal crash involving the technology.

We can only guess at what happened until the full report becomes available or, if it exists, dashcam footage is released. If the car/tech is at fault, as smart and adaptive as it may be, it's still programmed technology. Unfortunately, I don't see that it's possible to develop and test for every possible scenario. We as humans can't comprehend what other humans may or may not do out on the road. Even if every vehicle was autonomous and in sync with all other vehicles, you would still have pedestrians, cyclists, animals, etc, to contend with.

While it's great technology, we can never move to 100% autonomous use. A safety driver will always be needed, which continues to involve the human element.

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Quote: Originally Posted by KC_Flip View Post
Regardless of who is at fault, it's terrible the woman lost her life. This could have far reaching implications across self-driving technology...or none at all. This might be the first time a pedestrian was killed by a self-driving car, but it's definitely not the first fatal crash involving the technology.

We can only guess at what happened until the full report becomes available or, if it exists, dashcam footage is released. If the car/tech is at fault, as smart and adaptive as it may be, it's still programmed technology. Unfortunately, I don't see that it's possible to develop and test for every possible scenario. We as humans can't comprehend what other humans may or may not do out on the road. Even if every vehicle was autonomous and in sync with all other vehicles, you would still have pedestrians, cyclists, animals, etc, to contend with.

While it's great technology, we can never move to 100% autonomous use. A safety driver will always be needed, which continues to involve the human element.
It's always tragic when someone dies. Autonomous cars have been pushed very rapidly and a fatality may be the litmus test that shows we are moving too fast. How many dangerous intersections exist that only get mitigated after someone dies (too many).

Human drivers make mistakes too. The best we could hope for is an autonomous car that's less likely to make a fatal decision than a human driver. In that scenario, there are still car accidents, but there are less of them. The human driver behind the wheel had better be paying attention though!

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A self-driving Uber SUV struck and killed 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg as she walked her bicycle across a street in Tempe, Arizona, Sunday night, according to the Tempe police. The department is investigating the crash.

Rafael Vasquez, a 44-year-old test driver from Uber, was behind the wheel of the Volvo XC90 SUV at the time, the police said.

Based on preliminary information, the car was going approximately 40 mph in a 35 mph zone, according to Tempe Police Detective Lily Duran.

Police say the investigation does not at this time show significant signs of the SUV slowing before the crash. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office will determine whether charges will be filed.

"The vehicle involved is one of Uber's self-driving vehicles," the Tempe police said in a statement. "It was in autonomous mode at the time of the collision, with a vehicle operator behind the wheel."

Autonomous mode means the car is driving on its own. During tests, a person sits behind the wheel as a safeguard.
Hrm it is obviously too early to tell but I'm going to bet the walked bicycle will be the main contributing factor (assuming she didn't jump out between parked cars or something).

Wouldn't be the first time for uber https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-san-francisco

or an unknown hazard for the industry https://slate.com/technology/2018/02...he-answer.html

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I think autonomous cars are a cool novelty, but the last thing we need are more cars on the road with clueless people inside. Accidents happen, but many could be avoided if more drivers were properly trained and actually cared more about arriving in one piece than texting their bff's romantic partner or updating their fb status (probably what the human backup driver was doing here).


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