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[CW]Home Affairs rejects calls for additional safeguards in ‘spyware’ law

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The Department of Home Affairs has rejected calls to include independent judicial oversight of the decision to issue Technical Assistance Notices and Technical Capability Notices as part of proposed legislation intended to tackle police agencies’ inability to access encrypted communications services.

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Everyone should just ask as suspicious as they can, no matter how mundane and boring their lives actually are.

Be honest, behind the facade of those things, the real priority is just screwing everyone over in the name of obscene profit & delaying any kind of backlash as long as possible. That's the real world.
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People must trust the police a lot in Australia. No way this is going to be abused. So I just want to be clear on this: by "service provider" do they mean internet service provider? I bet a lot of people in the US would like to force an isp to provide all of their use history on someone they don't like, and if it isn't enough, make the isp create tools or methods to extract even more information.

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It's ironic, here in the U.S. we have the biggest actors of state spyware, you could say were the founders/pioneers of it yet we also have some of the largest opposition groups that are bucking against it. I see in countless articles about Europe and other first world nations, e.g. Australia, Britain, they have the surveillance state being pushed on full force with various laws/acts like the above being implemented YET there is nobody bucking the thread or any sizeable activist groups in those countries that are against it. There seems to be a huge chunk of the population in those countries that just seems fine to go along with it or accepts the good government knows best approach. IIRC both Australia and Britain have some kind of "mandatory data retention" laws on their ISP's and such and a very liberal policy when it comes to government monitoring of such.

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ironically when theres a safety net people tend to get more liberal, more careless.

take the internet for example, users are mostly reliant on built-in security measures, paying next to no attention to their own safety.
so you have them getting infected by viruses, getting hacked, or simply leaking their own private data with or without them noticing.


on the other hand, i'm in the opinion that making spying an official government action would cause the vast majority to exhibit more caution.
its the same concept of how the darkweb came to be, it started off from the internet getting watched by authorities, the stricter it got the more elusive the darkweb became.

trolling an adult is very dangerous, don't try it at home nor at work. you don't want to play tag with a rabid man.

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Deliberately undermining privacy and security isn't going to end well.

Waste all this time and effort to punch holes in the privacy of the masses and give government an easily abusable pool of information, all on the off chance that some of the more inept/incidental criminals will incriminate themselves. Meanwhile, anyone with any sense, and anyone who is actually a threat, will continue to use tools that have not been compromised, while innocent tax payers get to see their personal info used for legal and extralegal harassment, or exposed in leaks.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
Deliberately undermining privacy and security isn't going to end well.

Waste all this time and effort to punch holes in the privacy of the masses and give government an easily abusable pool of information, all on the off chance that some of the more inept/incidental criminals will incriminate themselves. Meanwhile, anyone with any sense, and anyone who is actually a threat, will continue to use tools that have not been compromised, while innocent tax payers get to see their personal info used for legal and extralegal harassment, or exposed in leaks.
Isn't this going to compromize any safeguards such as TLS/SSL? Surely by removing safeguards like is just a recipe for disaster but this thing will go through.


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I got all the plans, hidden on a computer, somewhere.

Come get me.

Be honest, behind the facade of those things, the real priority is just screwing everyone over in the name of obscene profit & delaying any kind of backlash as long as possible. That's the real world.
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Isn't this going to compromize any safeguards such as TLS/SSL? Surely by removing safeguards like is just a recipe for disaster but this thing will go through.
Yeah, anyone with any sense can see how these sorts of laws are going to harm everyone and help almost no one.

Many of the people pushing this stuff are either fear mongers who are using encryption as a political tool to make themselves look 'tough on crime', but know their position is a fallacious one. Most of the rest are ignorant old farts that don't understand the topic at all and just parrot partisan nonsense.

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Beside the legislation itself, I totally understand rejecting calls from companies calling the legislators telling them "you don't understand, let me teach you/protect you" from random tech companies that want a piece of the cake.

This is the government. The chances of a leak or abuse of this is almost 100%, regardless of safeguards. And I doubt anyone of the government want someone "independent" that will meddle in their affairs, unless it is a political appointed group of friends who were set for a job, not for an actual need.


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