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[Itnews]Australia's encryption-busting bill also after PINs, passwords

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The government has raised the prospect of using so-called decryption laws to simply get a provider to turn over a user’s PIN or password to get access to a target’s encrypted communications.

While much of the debate on the Assistance and Access Bill so far has concentrated on the prospect of encryption being weakened, the Department of Home Affairs indicated today encryption may not even be its primary target.
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This makes me want to invest in precious metals.
A lot in governments just want to make the world better. Sometimes by spending other's money, sometimes by taking the money of wrongdoers. All of the power they have is taken from their constituents and sometimes they need more to accomplish what they see as best. It's a shame you can't trust 100% of the people in the world.
Those legislators in Australia could have an easier time making things fair and just if the only banks were the gov and the only isps also were. They could try to make pay fair, stop hate speech, bullying and promote a more mindful discourse. They could also try to right the wrongs of wealth inequality. If only they were perfect and impartial this stuff might succeed. They could use ai to help with that.

I wonder if this will affect the value of cryptocurrency? That has a password too.

Precious metals really don't have a good return on investment, even less if you hold the physical stuff. But stuff like this just makes them seem attractive to me.

This, if passed, will be a really big security hole, one that can't be patched.

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AU is going more and more downhill as they struggle they try and create more laws and bureaucracy instead. Oh the people hate AU gov. lets spy on them all so we can "deal with them". It's a damn "police country". You sneeze you go to jail. Oh wait, whole AU already is a jail created by invading.
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Quote: Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post
This makes me want to invest in precious metals.
A lot in governments just want to make the world better. Sometimes by spending other's money, sometimes by taking the money of wrongdoers. All of the power they have is taken from their constituents and sometimes they need more to accomplish what they see as best. It's a shame you can't trust 100% of the people in the world.
Those legislators in Australia could have an easier time making things fair and just if the only banks were the gov and the only isps also were. They could try to make pay fair, stop hate speech, bullying and promote a more mindful discourse. They could also try to right the wrongs of wealth inequality. If only they were perfect and impartial this stuff might succeed. They could use ai to help with that.

I wonder if this will affect the value of cryptocurrency? That has a password too.

Precious metals really don't have a good return on investment, even less if you hold the physical stuff. But stuff like this just makes them seem attractive to me.

This, if passed, will be a really big security hole, one that can't be patched.

Edit: my sarcasm was too vague so I removed it
We have all been played in the grand scheme of things. This is all a game to them and I believe this was all a plan to control and steal more of our wealth from all of us from the very start. lol cryptocurrencies the share market and everything is controlled by central banks/institutions(corporations) and dodgy deals that happen behind closed doors. I've unfortunately had over 250 THOUSAND dollars YES DOLLARS of my hard earned money stolen off me and these so called regulators did nothing and sat on it and are allowing a criminal organization to thrive. They all give idle threats like oh we can take down a company, what garbage. If you want to know the name, feel free to PM me but I am not naming names here. Which is why I retired in silence. Broken heart and the law unfortunately is designed to cater to institutions more because hey, if you were to rob a bank, the police would be after you, but institutions can rob you of your hard earned money, that's okay apparently. You are on your own when you try and seek compensation or get that money back by taking legal action meaning more legal expenses.

Unfortunately, everyone is lost in their own bubble and can't see how screwed we all are.No one seems to care anymore. No one.

You just wonder whose side these government are on. They are in bed with the corporations. They are not here in the interest of protecting the public.



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Err don't the government already have access to everything anyway? oh wait sorry it's not been made legal yet so we can't talk about that . They also can now demand pins and passwords at security checkpoints like airports and if you refuse it's a massive fine or jail time . Nanny state is becoming dictator state.

Edit, as far as the spying goes remember the government always said "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear" (lets just ignore the fact that, that quote is Nazi propaganda...)

After playing both Watch Dogs over the last week it does seriously make me wonder how far we are from living in a world like that, then again I suppose we already kind of are living it, cameras and microphones everywhere, governments having access to everything regardless of if it's legal or not... hmm interesting to think about.

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We have all been played in the grand scheme of things. This is all a game to them and I believe this was all a plan to control and steal more of our wealth from all of us from the very start. lol cryptocurrencies the share market and everything is controlled by central banks/institutions(corporations) and dodgy deals that happen behind closed doors. I've unfortunately had over 250 THOUSAND dollars YES DOLLARS of my hard earned money stolen off me and these so called regulators did nothing and sat on it and are allowing a criminal organization to thrive. They all give idle threats like oh we can take down a company, what garbage. If you want to know the name, feel free to PM me but I am not naming names here. Which is why I retired in silence. Broken heart and the law unfortunately is designed to cater to institutions more because hey, if you were to rob a bank, the police would be after you, but institutions can rob you of your hard earned money, that's okay apparently. You are on your own when you try and seek compensation or get that money back by taking legal action meaning more legal expenses.

Unfortunately, everyone is lost in their own bubble and can't see how screwed we all are.No one seems to care anymore. No one.

You just wonder whose side these government are on. They are in bed with the corporations. They are not here in the interest of protecting the public.
I like to think of the central banks manipulation of the money supply in a fashion that feeds the rich, the gov consolidation of control over people's assets, and many corporations operating in cooperation with governments to alter the rules in their favor as mostly those looking to steal wealth jumping on the easiest bandwagon. They don't care whose money they take, as long as it lines their pockets. And not everyone is corrupt, just more than enough.
I'm familiar with how the legal system favors money. When my ex and I split, she tried to keep our daughter almost all of the time. She started playing dirty, I went out and got an expensive lawyer, she thought she could get by on the cheap, we have split custody. Totally worth it. I couldn't win that battle against a corporation.

I also like to think I've done well by having no debt, lots of savings, decent retirement built for my age and paid off my house a few years back. But that lack of debt and money in accounts really isn't 100% secure. Just numbers. And that mortgage free house is mine because no one else has put a mortgage on it and I have a couple of pieces of paper to prove it. If the record gets changed are my couple pieces of paper going to be enough? I still have similar papers on previous houses I've sold. This last year I had to tell my insurance company again that I was going to pay the bill myself because I didn't have a mortgage or escrow account and the bank I had my mortgage with had been bought and no longer existed. Records already aren't perfect. The last thing I would need is my limited number of answers to security questions becoming public knowledge because some third shift cop likes to look at the ladies of the internet and doesn't care if his work computer gets messed up. What you had taken probably took years of your efforts to get. The same could happen to me and tons of others. My uncle lost a lot too.

Would be nice if govs would work to assert and protect individual property rights instead of pursuing power over it's constituents. Eventually a whole lot is going to just be taken and closing security holes is just chasing from behind.

This bill giving the Australian gov legal access to possibly enough tools to pretend to be someone and have full control over nearly everything they own isn't a good way to protect property rights. They should have to ask the telephone company for calls and texts, bank for bank records, etc. But that is the sort of thing you would do if your goal was to protect people and their stuff.

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People use to laugh at those giving warnings close to 20 years ago. "Not in a western democratic society" they use to say and oh a good one was also "You're wearing a tin foil hat".

This has been going on for a long time, they are just admitting to it of late or getting their hands caught in the cookie jar.

I mean they were listening to your phone calls back when Marconi was making them and intercepting your telegraphs and letters with the pony express. Never mind the abuses taking place with computer/cell phone software/hardware backdoors and internet intercepts. Your Cars, TVs and toasters are not even safe anymore when it comes to data mining.

No one is surprised by this century old news. 5G with it's mm microwaves will make things even worse not only towards your privacy/personal security but your mental and physical health.

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Phone companies wised up to this years ago. Most top of the line phones I've seen lately have tap codes (or connect the 9 dots codes). These legally aren't passwords and aren't biometric locks, so warrants for passwords are useless and and borrowing your face or fingerprint futile. Creating sequence generation methods that have yet to be legislated is child's play.
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Phone companies wised up to this years ago. Most top of the line phones I've seen lately have tap codes (or connect the 9 dots codes). These legally aren't passwords and aren't biometric locks, so warrants for passwords are useless and and borrowing your face or fingerprint futile. Creating sequence generation methods that have yet to be legislated is child's play.

Those can be brute forced in like 2 seconds. At the border in many countries there are these black box looking things with a USB cable, they use this to brute force open phones among other things like dump the contents in a side channel attack.

Your only real protection is using brute force proof passwords on your phone which is so inconvenient nobody does it (imagine having to type a 15-20 random character password every time you want to open the lock screen) or learning to use encryption tools that can do things like make hidden volumes which is also not very convenient or applicable for most devices/situations.

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Those can be brute forced in like 2 seconds. At the border in many countries there are these black box looking things with a USB cable, they use this to brute force open phones among other things like dump the contents in a side channel attack.

Your only real protection is using brute force proof passwords on your phone which is so inconvenient nobody does it (imagine having to type a 15-20 random character password every time you want to open the lock screen) or learning to use encryption tools that can do things like make hidden volumes which is also not very convenient or applicable for most devices/situations.
How can they be brute forced? A: They have # of use timeouts, just like any other method. B: They use an inconsistent number of inputs. This isn't like some 4 or 6 digit pin. The person trying to crack the code doesn't even know how many units to input. Is it 4 taps? Is it 12? You don't know.

Phone insecurities come into play when the passkey is a known set of variables. A PIN key with 4 digits will always have 4 digits. Your face is your face. You have a finite set of fingers. Savvy phone makers are eliminating these kinds of known knowns. That practically guarantees a more secure system.
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