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There used to be a time where you could just get on an airplane after passing through a very rudimentary metal detector and having your baggage go through a simple pat down/looking through to make sure there isn't a gun stashed, oh and you could also carry your lighter on board and fire up smokes in the plane. This isn't ancient history either, they had the exact same planes they do now, you would sit in a seat like you do now and it would take the exact same amount of time to fly to your destination as it does now; everything was the exact same thing. If you suggested such a thing today everybody would freak out about how dangerous that would be, yet somehow people lived just fine and felt perfectly safe when air travel was like that and there wasn't really any more or less incidences than there are now.

We need to be going back to those days instead of what were doing now. People use the excuse that "times have changed", no they really haven't and statistics on crime reflect that, the world is safer now than ever before; no reason we couldn't go back to that style.
yeah i remember those day since '67-'76 and i remember alll the hijackings when we would fly to florida once if not twice a year; summer and maybe winter break(s). then a few commercial flights in the '80 in the navy; where it was suggest to wear civilian clothes as to not be a target. i guess you also forgot about the air marshal service and why they were founded.

but ok.

however, to say times haven't changed is not correct, air-flights have increased exponentially since those good times; which will increase the chance of opportunity for some whack job(s). also, the change in tech makes it easier to sneak a fire arm or ordnance onto a plane; its short sighted to not recognize those.

however i don't disagree with the spirit of people being overly paranoid/fearful. the truth is since 9/11/01 and the (overly aggressive at times imo) vetting/security at airports are doing enough as it is. somebody somewhere will do something unexpected that can't be stopped no matter what steps/procedures are used. to coin a phrase; where there is a will, there is a way.

in my my recent experiences, each airport was different. '03 flying from cleveland international to LA (via denver) i was allowed to have two cans of beer and my zippo lighter (not butane) in my carry on. '11 LAX to detroit i had to toss the butane lighter i had and made a stink about the little knife 1/2"i had on a key chain. '13 tampa fla to detroit i had no lighter, keychain or beer but was randomly selected for a pat down before entering the terminal; where my nuts got crushed and almost thumb up my bum if not for my clothing.

all in all, each of those last three times wasn't more than 20 minutes. anymore i hear of people waiting for hours. i can't imagine a government agency really caring about stream lining the process adding to that. with folks seeming more apt to flip out on the air crew and other passengers, as seen in the news and what not, i can only see this as adding to the stress of travel for no apparent need.

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anyone too scared should take a train, a boat, or swim
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and you're naïve to think facial recognition isn't already in place

TSA pre-check that processes you as fast as air crew beats standing in line like a pleb any day of the week
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We need to be going back to those days instead of what were doing now. People use the excuse that "times have changed", no they really haven't and statistics on crime reflect that, the world is safer now than ever before; no reason we couldn't go back to that style.
"those days" you had people chainsmoking for a gdamn 13-hour flight

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well excuse up "plebs" that don't care to pay money to have a background check and finger printed like a common criminal. i personally don't care what it is in other countries since i don't live in there, however in the U.S. there is something called freedom of movement since 1868.

if you don't care about your rights and privileges fine, but don't get pissy when others do.

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you mean $10/yr that saves you hours and hours?

i'm not a criminal, I don't care if the government has my iris/finger prints. nothing to hide. You make it sound like they have my DNA (may be they do) or my semen sample or something.

for work I have to let the professional regulatory body run a crim check on me every 5 years anyways, I have a squeaky clean record so I could care less

who got pissy? you can continue standing in snail line, and I would actually prefer you stay there so I can get through faster

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This is terrible news. No one should be supporting this, and no one should be flying PreCheck if this is mandatory.

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...however in the U.S. there is something called freedom of movement since 1868...
Not any more.

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you mean $10/yr that saves you hours and hours?

i'm not a criminal, I don't care if the government has my iris/finger prints. nothing to hide. You make it sound like they have my DNA (may be they do) or my semen sample or something.

for work I have to let the professional regulatory body run a crim check on me every 5 years anyways, I have a squeaky clean record so I could care less

who got pissy? you can continue standing in snail line, and I would actually prefer you stay there so I can get through faster
You really need to bone up on History. Start with Nazi Germany.

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you mean $10/yr that saves you hours and hours?

i'm not a criminal, I don't care if the government has my iris/finger prints. nothing to hide. You make it sound like they have my DNA (may be they do) or my semen sample or something.

for work I have to let the professional regulatory body run a crim check on me every 5 years anyways, I have a squeaky clean record so I could care less

who got pissy? you can continue standing in snail line, and I would actually prefer you stay there so I can get through faster
no i mean the $85 for 5 years lol. that tweet is a gem; looking like it's joining the auto club. last i looked AAA is not a government agency.

for a free citizen of the U.S.; the right to privacy and freedom of movement isn't anything about having something to hide. if they did, such as being a fugitive, then they are not a free citizen as set by the constitution and don't have those rights. so you, along with others, can stop at the fallacious argument of having "nothing to hide". for what an employer may need, is completely different than what a government agency is lawfully allowed to do. unfortunately, what illegal action the executive branch may impose that only takes a stroke of a pen, takes years if not decades to undo in the court system.

had you went to any public high school until '72, you would have had a hard time in a class called "civics", that every student needed to pass before getting their diploma. students had a difficult time with that; understanding the rights afforded by the constitution and each individual's duty to protect them making it being the hardest class in the curriculum. but it seemed the nixion (then ford) administration didn't like all the college campus protests, that right to peacefully protest, and [illegally] coerced most all states with replacing "civics" with "social studies". i can understand ignorance, that can be addressed with facts and evidence, but willful ignorance is an inexcusable trait of self deluded egomaniacs.

have law review of rights vs public safety. oh, i'm sure you don't care but there are other people, ya know.

in the meantime !CONGRATULATIONS! you have completed your indoctrination. your pissy attitude, willful ignorance and complete lack of empathy will help advance you well in the regime!

lol. you know it doesn't matter how fast you get through TSA, that plane isn't going to leave until the crew, plane and tower/traffic are ready.


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Not any more.
off topic but, so what was it like to fly with orville and wilbur?

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no i mean the[URL="https://twitter.com/TSA/status/960587628864266240"]...off topic but, so what was it like to fly with orville and wilbur?
Quite exhilarating. The lads were a lot of fun. All seriousness aside, Truman was President when I was born.

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