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GE is $50/5 yrs. is marketing it like a club, wrong? because on the surface, it's exactly that.
US government wants more biometric data...no surprise there...the world police has been at war more often than its existence with a sizable list of enemies.

your post comes off rather ageist
I was born in the 80s and I don't even reside in the US, but thanks for the history lesson

a regulatory body for professionals vs a gov't agency, what difference does it make? why double-standards? one vets you to make sure you're not high-risk when working with vulnerables, the other assesses you're not high risk when you're confined in a tube 13000 ft in the air for 1-16 hours

lacking some empathy, sure, but you still haven't outlined how I have been pissy; I am not even mad in the slightest at this news...sounds like you're projecting?

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you know what they say, don't knock on it until you've tried it. but maybe don't, can't have 'buh it's mah rite!!1' folks clogging the expediated lane.

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no i mean the $85 for 5 years lol. that tweet is a gem; looking like it's joining the auto club. last i looked AAA is not a government agency.

for a free citizen of the U.S.; the right to privacy and freedom of movement isn't anything about having something to hide. if they did, such as being a fugitive, then they are not a free citizen as set by the constitution and don't have those rights. so you, along with others, can stop at the fallacious argument of having "nothing to hide". for what an employer may need, is completely different than what a government agency is lawfully allowed to do. unfortunately, what illegal action the executive branch may impose that only takes a stroke of a pen, takes years if not decades to undo in the court system.

had you went to any public high school until '72, you would have had a hard time in a class called "civics", that every student needed to pass before getting their diploma. students had a difficult time with that; understanding the rights afforded by the constitution and each individual's duty to protect them making it being the hardest class in the curriculum. but it seemed the nixion (then ford) administration didn't like all the college campus protests, that right to peacefully protest, and [illegally] coerced most all states with replacing "civics" with "social studies". i can understand ignorance, that can be addressed with facts and evidence, but willful ignorance is an inexcusable trait of self deluded egomaniacs.

have law review of rights vs public safety. oh, i'm sure you don't care but there are other people, ya know.

in the meantime !CONGRATULATIONS! you have completed your indoctrination. your pissy attitude, willful ignorance and complete lack of empathy will help advance you well in the regime!

lol. you know it doesn't matter how fast you get through TSA, that plane isn't going to leave until the crew, plane and tower/traffic are ready.
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The argument made by the ignorant.
air travel is a privilege, not a right. It's always been this way. Either as a financial barrier or due to security measures. The few bad apples that weaponized this form of commercial transportation didn't help.

but seriously? why are you even connected to the Internet if you're worried about privacy? I sure hope you don't have a phone with equipped with a GPS or a camera...because that would be ironic and borderline comical . You realize what's public knowledge isn't even the tip of the iceberg right?

like I said, if you don't like it, there's always road trips, buses, trains, cargo ships.

You guys' vision of freedom sounds like living life in fear.

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GE is $50/5 yrs. is marketing it like a club, wrong? because on the surface, it's exactly that.
US government wants more biometric data...no surprise there...the world police has been at war more often than its existence with a sizable list of enemies.

your post comes off rather ageist
I was born in the 80s and I don't even reside in the US, but thanks for the history lesson

lacking some empathy, sure, but you still haven't outlined how I have been pissy; I am not even mad in the slightest at this news...sounds like you're projecting?

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you know what they say, don't knock on it until you've tried it. but maybe don't, can't have 'buh it's mah rite!!1' folks clogging the expediated lane.

air travel is a privilege, not a right. It's always been this way. Either as a financial barrier or due to security measures. The few bad apples that weaponized this form of commercial transportation didn't help.

but seriously? why are you even connected to the Internet if you're worried about privacy? I sure hope you don't have a phone with equipped with a GPS or a camera...because that would be ironic and borderline comical . You realize what's public knowledge isn't even the tip of the iceberg right?

like I said, if you don't like it, there's always road trips, buses, trains, cargo ships.

You guys' vision of freedom sounds like living life in fear.
side note, you need a dictionary:
Spoiler!

oh the irony!

first of all, pointing out others' wrong(s) doesn't make anything right. and also rights are not given due to any "financial barrier" nor is air travel a privilege and that was covered in the law review i linked previously. what you have shown is a lack of understanding what a right is; a person is BORN with then, not earned such as a privilege. well, besides needing a dictionary (you should also look up ageist and then compare it to what i posted). but i doubt you are willing to help yourself especially concerning freedom and fear. psst you GIVE UP one for the other.

though thanks for pointing out you don't reside in the u.s. and likely not a citizen, though your location is canada under your avatar, i wasn't going to assume such. but now that's it's mentioned; your viewpoints or opinions do not matter in the least.

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thank you, English isn't my first language, learned a new word today...though youre showing your true colours by using what's classified as a vulgar slang

nope, international travel is not a right. Because you need valid documentation, like a passport. You did not pop out of a woman with passport in-hand.

and to use a passport, you need to fully comply to the terms set forth by the issuing government. and if their terms are changing and you don't like it, don't leave the country.

of course my viewpoints don't matter, the great US of A is the center of the universe. I only frequent often, have a house there, and have family there, pay my dues to the IRS, no big deal. My input isn't worth a lick even if I am more trusted of a traveler than you are into/out of the US.

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thank you, English isn't my first language, learned a new word today...though youre showing your true colours by using what's classified as a vulgar slang

nope, international travel is not a right. Because you need valid documentation, like a passport. You did not pop out of a woman with passport in-hand.

and to use a passport, you need to fully comply to the terms set forth by the issuing government. and if their terms are changing and you don't like it, don't leave the country.

of course my viewpoints don't matter, the great US of A is the center of the universe. I only frequent often, have a house there, and have family there, pay my dues to the IRS, no big deal. My input isn't worth a lick even if I am more trusted of a traveler than you are into/out of the US.
yes it CAN BE vulgar but since no one was talking about urine and we were arguing (another word for debating) i clearing was using it in the PROPER term. yeah, english is a horrible language, esp the way we U.S. citizen use it, so i don't mind at all helping other's here on OCN to decipher it.

see the problem is that you are comparing what rights you *think* you have, that are stated to you by your country's constitution with the rights of others stated to them by their constitution. again i'll point out that here in the U.S. international travel is a right -which AGAIN is shown, in case law, of that law review i linked before.

so yeah, you're comparing apples to oranges man. that is why your opinion is irrelevant and doesn't matter.** i know its a tough pill to swallow but you'll live.


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see the problem is that you are comparing what rights you *think* you have, that are stated to you by your country's constitution with the rights of others stated to them by their constitution. again i'll point out that here in the U.S. international travel is a right -which AGAIN is shown, in case law, of that law review i linked before.
guess who wrote the US constitution that has already been amended dozens of time?

the US government

the same entity that issues your travel documentation, and hence dictate how and where you can travel. They want you to believe it's a right...sure doesn't sound like it to me.

if you know any other ways to leave the country without said documentation that doesn't involve trafficking, i'm all ears.

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guess who wrote the US constitution that has already been amended dozens of time?

the US government

the same entity that issues your travel documentation, and hence dictate how and where you can travel. They want you to believe it's a right...sure doesn't sound like it to me.

if you know any other ways to leave the country without said documentation that doesn't involve trafficking, i'm all ears.
sorry man, another fail. the u.s government is made up of three separate branches; executive, legislative and judicial. only one of them wrote and amends the constitution. any need for a passport or any other governments issue documentation is regulated not just by the issuing country by also the country being entered; well you know that thing called sovereignty.
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i can leave the u.s. anytime i want, its easy to take a boat past the 12 and 1/2 mile limit into international waters. (E: oops i typed 2 instead of 12, my bad) pre-9/11 i could walk or drive into either canada or mexico and simply state i was a u.s. citizen by an agreement among those governments (countries). seriously man, you're a one legged man in a butt kicking contest. so any discussion on why or how U.S. citzens are ok with a reasonable suspension of their rights to privacy and freedom of movement (which again is in that law review) would be far above your head.

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GE is $50/5 yrs. is marketing it like a club, wrong? because on the surface, it's exactly that.
US government wants more biometric data...no surprise there...the world police has been at war more often than its existence with a sizable list of enemies.

your post comes off rather ageist
I was born in the 80s and I don't even reside in the US, but thanks for the history lesson

a regulatory body for professionals vs a gov't agency, what difference does it make? why double-standards? one vets you to make sure you're not high-risk when working with vulnerables, the other assesses you're not high risk when you're confined in a tube 13000 ft in the air for 1-16 hours

lacking some empathy, sure, but you still haven't outlined how I have been pissy; I am not even mad in the slightest at this news...sounds like you're projecting?

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you know what they say, don't knock on it until you've tried it. but maybe don't, can't have 'buh it's mah rite!!1' folks clogging the expediated lane.
Expedited lane? Let me just expose how much of a farce this whole thing is in the name of so called "security". The same TSA that misses 90% of things in test too, btw.

So my mom travels a lot so she did the TSA pre thing. Fingerprints and whatever else they do. I told her, great, now's the perfect time for you to become a terrorist. How are they gonna catch you now?

The whole system is designed to make you used to this as so called "security", give up your biometrics willingly for "convenience", and somehow all that is supposed to make us safer when they can't even catch 90% of things and are more interested in frisking grandma and touching my crotch without buying me dinner first. Does anyone else see the stupidity here and how we have slowly gotten used to it as a society?

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but seriously? why are you even connected to the Internet if you're worried about privacy? I sure hope you don't have a phone with equipped with a GPS or a camera...because that would be ironic and borderline comical . You realize what's public knowledge isn't even the tip of the iceberg right?

like I said, if you don't like it, there's always road trips, buses, trains, cargo ships.

You guys' vision of freedom sounds like living life in fear.
So it's an all or nothing thing? Because it's near impossible to be private anymore I should just say the heck with it and just finish the whole thing up by giving away the rest of my biometrics they don't have yet?

Thanks, no thanks. I'm not that deluded.

And I don't live in fear. I haven't had a reason to fly in years, and when I do, I will sit through the long lines to avoid giving anything more than I have to. That's me exercising my freedom. I also have the freedom to take road-trips...which I have, because I enjoy it. So...not sure what your point there is supposed to be.

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[EVGA] GTX 680 Hydro Copper w/ Backplate
Cooling
[XSPC] Dual-bay Res w/ [Swiftech] MCP655
Cooling
[Bitfenix] Spectre Pro Red LED - 140mm x 4
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[NZXT] Switch 810 Matte Black
Operating System
[Windows] 7 Ultimate 64-Bit
Monitor
[BenQ] XL2420TX
Keyboard
[Saitek] Cyborg V.5 Red LED
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[Razer] Naga Epic Red LED
Audio
[Audio Technica] ATH-A700
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[ASUS] Xonar Essence STX
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[Lamptron] FC5-V2
CPU
[Intel] Core M-5Y10
GPU
[Intel] HD Graphics 5300
RAM
[Generic?] 8 GB DDR3
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[Generic?] 256GB SSD
Operating System
[Microsoft] Windows 10
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