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What was wrong with their build?

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What was wrong with their build?
1 stick of RAM in each channel, bad orientation on PSU fan, missing screws on CPU cooler hold downs, using a random rubber bracelet as an ESD bracklet (not bad per se, but bad info nonetheless), and horrible TIM application on the CPU with the already existing TIM on the cooler plate.

Just lots of bad info in general for a video that is supposed to be informational. Like 'your PSU must be lifted off the case with rubber isolation grommets or it will short to the case' (talking about the vibration isolation mounts) and them promptly goes and screws the PSU to the backcase with the 4 screws.
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1 stick of RAM in each channel, bad orientation on PSU fan, missing screws on CPU cooler hold downs, using a random rubber bracelet as an ESD bracklet (not bad per se, but bad info nonetheless), and horrible TIM application on the CPU with the already existing TIM on the cooler plate.

Just lots of bad info in general for a video that is supposed to be informational. Like 'your PSU must be lifted off the case with rubber isolation grommets or it will short to the case' (talking about the vibration isolation mounts) and them promptly goes and screws the PSU to the backcase with the 4 screws.
The short and the TIM were the best parts. I find it even funnier that the company is trying to take revenge on people for their own stupidity.
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Lol so the rubber grommets would prevent it shorting despite running a screw into it? Classic. The PC actually relies on the PSU for it's earth ground as the housing of both is metal. That's not something you'd want to prevent.
Do you mean they populated A1 and A2 instead of A1 and B1? I don't know how I missed all this lol

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Lol so the rubber grommets would prevent it shorting despite running a screw into it? Classic. The PC actually relies on the PSU for it's earth ground as the housing of both is metal. That's not something you'd want to prevent.
Do you mean they populated A1 and A2 instead of A1 and B1? I don't know how I missed all this lol


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Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzybass View Post
YouTube allowed the video to be taken down in the first place.


Quote: Originally Posted by Reslivo View Post
Still parody, thus still Fair Use.

I really do not believe there is any case for copyright infringement here.
You'd need to prove that it's parody first. If I were Mr. Bitwit's lawyer, that's definitely the angle I'd take, but it's not an easy argument to make given just how much of the video is from the original copyrighted source with no commentary. If the reaction video had been cut such that only the highlights, the parts that Kyle responded to explicitly, were present, he'd have a better case. But as it stands the majority of the video is simply the original with no transformation that would reasonably qualify as fair use.


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If passive commentary (usually under the form of parody) of what is essentially a full, unedited work were copyright infringement, then how could things like Mystery Science Theater 3000 exist? (I'm no fan of it, just old enough to remember it and have seen it on TV a long time ago.)

That isn't a rhetorical question, but a serious one. I would imagine that maybe the creators of that show got permission, I also recall that most of the movies they parodied were extremely old (maybe the studios that made them no longer existed).

Still, commenting on a full work while including it is something that has been done basically since the dawn of time (or Western Civilization) as far as I know- I'm pretty sure there's a rich history of this in literature. Didn't a lot of philosophers do full commentaries on things like Homer? What is worse: including parts of the material, which can then be quoted out of context and used to argue points that are the exact opposite of what the original work says, with no way of telling from the commentary... or the full thing?

I agree with the other people, this causes a "chilling effect" and stifles free speech, and it is always the big guy (e.g. media conglomerates) going after small folk, never the other way around. And I have nothing against the free press or media, being extremely liberal myself, but this is a dangerous precedent. That's enough political stuff though, don't want to get an "infringement" here. >.>
That's exactly what happened: they acquired rights to the movies featured in MST3k. Contrast with the creators' newer project, Rifftrax. They have not acquired the rights to any films that their trax riff on, but because the only material that Rifftrax distributes is their own original audio to be played simultaneously with the film you yourself obtained separately, it's fine. At worst it might fall under trademark infringement or something depending on the characters or entities they talk about, but that would actually fall under fair use because it's such a minute part of the original work.

The idea of copyright is a recent one, so ancient Greece isn't too applicable here. Previously the rights to the work went to the printer rather than the author, i.e., they went to the person who made the physical product rather than the person who came up with the ideas. "Quoting out of context" is a silly thing to worry about. If you're a pundit trying to stir crap up, then neither you nor your audience actually care. If you're writing something more intellectual, then you've cited your sources and your audience is smart enough to find them, and you're probably honest enough to not intentionally misrepresent the original work. Plus, it's bad writing to include bits you aren't responding to or critiquing. Finally, if the original work needs to be presented in its entirety to not be quoted out of context, it's kinda crap lol.

As for censorship. What was censored here? Because I haven't seen anything of intellectual or informative worth lost. Nobody's ideas were censored because there aren't any in the first place. As incorrect as it was, the Verge's video was superior in terms of effort and editing and was a fully original work. Bitwit's video would not exist without it and cannot stand on its own merits, because without the copyrighted work it's only a couple minutes long. They aren't censoring criticism or ideas because they only DMCA'd one video in the first place with neither.

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This kind of thing has already been taken to court on Fair Use won, Kyle's video was complete parody and was making light of the Verge's horrible mistakes and a video that was meant to be a "guide" that would cause newbies to destroy their builds.

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What was wrong with their build?

Paul from Paul's Hardware enunciates everything that was wrong, it's the third video I posted in the OP: "Kyle got a strike - Finally Responding to the Verge".


On a related matter, a guide by a major publication that makes several mistakes while trying to teach people to make a build trying to cover up their mistakes is as on-topic for OCN as it gets.

Also, they took down another video, as you can see in the OP (last video), it wasn't only Kyle's.




Edit: Here is one more news source: https://www.techspot.com/news/78757-...rrible-pc.html

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Facepalm: Highlights from the ill-fated tutorial include installing the RAM in the wrong slots, using thermal paste and a pre-applied thermal pad, leaving a screw off the CPU cooler, calling zip ties tweezers and demonstrating terrible cable management. And that's just scratching the surface.

The Verge, one of the larger technology news sites on the Internet, published a video last September detailing how to build a $2,000 custom gaming PC. While the production value was decent, the overall feel of the tutorial was cringe-worthy and much of the information presented was flat out wrong or misleading.


Edit 2: Jayz made a video about it, explaining what options Vox media had and how DMCA works and is abused:




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Lol so the rubber grommets would prevent it shorting despite running a screw into it? Classic. The PC actually relies on the PSU for it's earth ground as the housing of both is metal. That's not something you'd want to prevent.
Do you mean they populated A1 and A2 instead of A1 and B1? I don't know how I missed all this lol

Omg that was so cringy. I can't believe that video was allowed by any company.
And now they want to sue someone over it? That's pathetic, they should have just removed the video and apologized for incompetence.

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