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Steve from GN has also made a video about it:




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such "big" news company, and yet they can't get a proper reviewer for their videos, instead of that they just get a random guy they already know and put him in the video..

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Has Hair Jesus updated the 2019 fail shirt? This fiasco needs to be at the top of the list.

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God, I and I am sure many other folks had completely forgotten about the Verge PC build catastrophe. Good job bringing your incompetence back to light Verge!

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Well I don't think I have ever heard of the Verge or this video so I would like to thank the Verge for bringing it back to life for me to enjoy.

I will skip over the BitWit guy, I don't know how that guy became popular on youtube. Maybe it's one of those "so bad it's good" kind of things, like Sharknado 3.

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I love how they called it slight in accuracies when they put an updated that they removed the video.

I hope they put someplace else the idiot who was making that build. That guy should have nothing to do with making hardware videos at all. He should be as far away from computer hardware as possible.


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To anyone still wondering about the RAM thing, the guy installed his 2 sticks of DDR4 in the two slots next to each other FURTHEST from the CPU socket. On my Z87 ASUS board (and most modern boards, should be the same for DDR3/DDR4) they are labelled B1 and B2. I try to just say where they are located physically as some mobos label these by a different convention or have them named the same (A1, B1 etc) but in a different layout. So he was running his memory single channel. Oh, no one pointed out that he 1) screwed the long screws for an AIO *all the way through the radiator from the top* and claimed that they were for securing the radiator to the top of the chassis- those long ones are for holding the fans on from the bottom, going through the fan body with the threads going into the radiator, and the small ones that are more similar to normal case screws go into the radiator from above to attach it to the case. So VOX likely had to buy another h100i or whatever because this journalist probably destroyed the first one by forcibly torquing long screws through the entire body of the thing. But wait! There's more! Once he got the AIO installed, they showed the finished build and the AIO had no fans on it. Then at the very end when he demos the machine, it suddenly had fans on the radiator.

As if this wasn't bad enough- after all the fallout from this, some people found this journalists' Twitch where he was streaming Black Ops and he was chatting with a friend of his (I guess?) and he basically claimed he had done nothing wrong or incorrect in the build guide, and that the various Youtubers and pc enthusiast communities roasting him "were just angry nerds nitpicking over small trivial things" or something to that extent. The video of his exact comments is on Youtube, or it was last I knew. This is what happens when people's agendas, emotions, bad education, being protected by people with authority and whole life of never being confronted or told they are wrong come to a head. I'm a little older than most here and had a decent father who told me things like "If you are going to do something, do it right the first time" and was shown that there is essentially an incorrect and a correct way to do a lot of things, especially in any skilled trade, engineering discipline and so on. This is basically just a fact, but some people take being wrong as them being told they are bad and it damages their frail ego and causes resentment and negative emotion towards the people trying to teach them. They then essentially can't learn anything or learn selectively because they never learn to set aside their emotions and realize that being incorrect does not mean "you are bad", it just means you learn and correct your mistake and do things the right way in the future. I'd like to see this Vox reporter try to repair a lawnmower or something with more risk inherent while arguing against people who actually know what they are doing. The results would probably be.... anyway, poor sap doesn't seem to know better. The whole thing was bad, but, what's worse is the guys refusal afterward to admit he was wrong at all or did anything incorrect- it's just sad to the point of being pitiful to me. And unfortunately now he has a media conglomerate OK'ing this and backing him.


Quote: Originally Posted by CynicalUnicorn View Post
YouTube allowed the video to be taken down in the first place.
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That's exactly what happened: they acquired rights to the movies featured in MST3k. Contrast with the creators' newer project, Rifftrax. They have not acquired the rights to any films that their trax riff on, but because the only material that Rifftrax distributes is their own original audio to be played simultaneously with the film you yourself obtained separately, it's fine. At worst it might fall under trademark infringement or something depending on the characters or entities they talk about, but that would actually fall under fair use because it's such a minute part of the original work.

The idea of copyright is a recent one, so ancient Greece isn't too applicable here. Previously the rights to the work went to the printer rather than the author, i.e., they went to the person who made the physical product rather than the person who came up with the ideas. "Quoting out of context" is a silly thing to worry about. If you're a pundit trying to stir crap up, then neither you nor your audience actually care. If you're writing something more intellectual, then you've cited your sources and your audience is smart enough to find them, and you're probably honest enough to not intentionally misrepresent the original work. Plus, it's bad writing to include bits you aren't responding to or critiquing. Finally, if the original work needs to be presented in its entirety to not be quoted out of context, it's kinda crap lol.

As for censorship. What was censored here? Because I haven't seen anything of intellectual or informative worth lost. Nobody's ideas were censored because there aren't any in the first place. As incorrect as it was, the Verge's video was superior in terms of effort and editing and was a fully original work. Bitwit's video would not exist without it and cannot stand on its own merits, because without the copyrighted work it's only a couple minutes long. They aren't censoring criticism or ideas because they only DMCA'd one video in the first place with neither.

Thanks for explaining the MST thing, I figured it was something like that. The problem here is that this company is essentially trying to erase evidence of the video from the internet, to protect their reputation. People should keep in mind that this may not necessarily be Vox themselves (though this IS likely), the video was also sponsored by Capital One bank, and it is an embarrassment to both companies. The people making it, paying for it and so forth likely had no clue how bad it was before it was released.

So what IS censored? Not only are regular peoples opinions (e.g. Youtubers), but again, they are trying to whitewash this from the net by getting it taken down, to protect their reputation (and presumably that of the journalist, who just recently released a Radeon VII review- he should be fired after demonstrating such massive incompetence).

There are many issues with copyright as an idea and this is why a lot of other countries, including Western ones (see: Scandinavian countries and France) have not agreed to US/UK style copyright law and enforcement. One of the big ones is using it to stifle free discussion of ideas, commentaries on works, but moreover using copyright as a political tool of censorship or quasi-censorship, as in this case, where the company has embarrassed itself and is trying to use it to save face.

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TheVerge made a post about the whole situation today and explain there actions per say:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/1...from-vox-media

Here is the first line in the whole thing take it as you will
"I want to address a situation around some YouTube copyright strikes (since retracted) issued by The Verge and Vox Media that has gotten pretty toxic, and could have been avoided if the parties involved had simply reached out to me directly."

Also earlier today Gamersnexus asked the verge for a sit down to explain everything, he even said he would fly them out to him or fly to New York just for a interview.

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Hmmmmm. "could have been avoided if the parties involved had simply reached out to me directly."

What about their legal team? Considering they had done an opinion piece on the abuses of the take down system it seems a little hypocritical that they would not have even reached out to the channels first to discuss before issuing a strike and a take down.

I personally think the content on the Verge is ****. This stinks of desperate retaliation.

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TheVerge made a post about the whole situation today and explain there actions per say:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/1...from-vox-media

Here is the first line in the whole thing take it as you will
"I want to address a situation around some YouTube copyright strikes (since retracted) issued by The Verge and Vox Media that has gotten pretty toxic, and could have been avoided if the parties involved had simply reached out to me directly."

Also earlier today Gamersnexus asked the verge for a sit down to explain everything, he even said he would fly them out to him or fly to New York just for a interview.

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