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[PCGamer]'We did not sign up to develop weapons' say Microsoft employees protesting $479 million HoloLens army contract

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$479,197,708.33—that's how much a US Army contract will pay Microsoft for an "Integrated Visual Augmentation System." The contract was awarded to Microsoft on November 20, and today some of the company's employees have written an open letter to CEO Satya Nadella and president Brad Smith protesting the move and asking the company to "Cease developing any and all weapons technologies."
The letter, titled "HoloLens For Good, Not War," begins with the statement that "we refuse to create technology for warfare and oppression. We are alarmed that Microsoft is working to provide weapons technology to the U.S. Military, helping one country's government 'increase lethality' using tools we build. We did not sign up to develop weapons, and we demand a say in how our work is used."

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We all signed up to develop weapons, one way or another.
Really? In what way?

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Really? In what way?
Taxes>black budget>funding terrorism and oppression>need to fight said terror and oppression>need for weapons>need for funding>taxes
It's a mainly a US thing but others do it too. War for profit.
Many of the largest manufacturers are where they are becasue of military/weapons, even if they "just make planes" like Boeing. Many of the names aren't common to average people but the companies they own are, many made possible becasue of weapons.

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If augmented reality reaches mass adoption, I don't really see how you could ever prevent that technology being used for military applications. This seems a bit like protesting a tsunami with a cardboard sign while standing on a beach.

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"The application of HoloLens within the IVAS system is designed to help people kill"....."Augmented reality technology will provide troops with more and better information to make decisions. "
Which gives the people who use it a better chance to live, plus the technology may reduce friendly fire and civilian casualties.

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If augmented reality reaches mass adoption, I don't really see how you could ever prevent that technology being used for military applications. This seems a bit like protesting a tsunami with a cardboard sign while standing on a beach.
The army is actually a very quick adopter of almost every new technology. They are a huge founders of technologies. A lot of technologies enter the military way faster than you think.
Those 480M$ are going to help MS to invest in more new things and develop more technologies, civilians and military.


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This isn't really a weapon, it's a tool, night vision is also a tool. It's not like soldiers will be shooting lasers from their eyes.

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Which gives the people who use it a better chance to live, plus the technology may reduce friendly fire and civilian casualties.
Google had this same problem last year, they were developing a sophisticated targeting system for something which (they claimed) would prevent unnecessary casualties. Though for all we know what you said and what I said are just how they spin it so it looks and sounds better, they could do something truly nasty in both cases.

All tech is used by the military it's naive to think that ANY product is exempt from this. If the military used Unix for most of their software (probably true) would you say that Linux is a weapon? No. I realize that's not a perfect comparison but it make the point I think.
The military and war (sadly) have lead to some of the largest pushes for mass production and standardization of bleeding edge stuff (at the time) that we all use every day. I'm not saying it's right or that I agree with it but it's one of the largest driving forces behind tech.

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Taxes>black budget>funding terrorism and oppression>need to fight said terror and oppression>need for weapons>need for funding>taxes
It's a mainly a US thing but others do it too. War for profit.
Many of the largest manufacturers are where they are becasue of military/weapons, even if they "just make planes" like Boeing. Many of the names aren't common to average people but the companies they own are, many made possible becasue of weapons.
Point taken. Still, paying taxes, a small portion of which gets used for defense, is a far cry from having one's work directly used for warfare.

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