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I didn't think devices like this would take off but I was surprised on my last visit to family how many households had these. Sad how many zombies producing more zombies not with bites but bytes.

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Double post. Might as well take advantage of that by saying that even though people are aware of privacy issues most don't care. If they can have the latest toys, they will assimilate.

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I'm just waiting for the day people voluntarily have cameras in their house recording their every move..
Didn't this already happen a few years ago with the XBOX Kinect and more recently with some Smart TV's?

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Oh please.

Nobody is going to ruin your life by spoofing your voiceprint. This isn't a James Bond movie.
Depends on who you are.

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I use two of them in my house to control my garage door, hue lights and a few smartplugs. It's handy. I have no illusions of privacy either. My wife and I actually get a lil toasty on Saturday evenings with a couple drinks and discuss how we're going to murder people and ask Alexa how to dispose of a body.

Playing with fire??? Maybe.......but it's all good, drunken, sexy time fun!!
I use my Alexa primarily as an alarm clock. I like yelling at it in the morning to keep sleeping for 10 more minutes. Aside from this, It really doesn't get any use.

I have noticed their algorithms have gotten better at recognizing "snooze" from a half asleep person. for the first year or so there was a 50% chance it would hear "news" instead of "snooze" and start reading off the morning news.

I can't say I'd miss it if it were gone.. but then again I don't feel any compulsion to get rid of it either. I also tend to keep my blinds open because I like sunlight and don't care who looks in through my windows.
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Yawn. This is simply the price we have to pay if we want to use these digital assistants, and crucially, if we want them to ever perform better than they do right now. If you have a problem with anything you say being saved and possibly listened to by someone then you should just never use one of these devices or assistants. Simple. Otherwise, if you want to have access to the convenience and utility of speech recognition software, AI, and digital assistants then you just need to accept that this sort of thing is the only way these systems can ever learn and improve. I dunno, I just really couldn't care less if some random Google or Amazon employee who doesn't know me from Adam ends up listening to my voice searches. Like, what the heck am I trying to hide?

Incidentally, Louis Rossman just posted a video on his channel the other day about Google and their speech-to-text system which would be right up your alley Tpi. Google saves the voice recordings of every single vocal interaction you have with your Android device to your Google account and it is easily accessed on the internet (at least by the account holder). He was really mad that this is the case and argued that if anybody were to hack your Google account then they would have unlimited access to everything you have ever searched or texted on your phone using voice recognition (in his case going back to 2012). I personally don't care, nor have I ever cared about this sort of thing as my personal opinion is that your anonymity comes from the fact that there are literally billions of Google accounts out there and it would be extremely improbable that this will ever happen to you. I also am of the belief that using the internet is no different than going out in public and that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy outside the confines of your own home (and yes, getting online is the digital equivalent to leaving your home).


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Also, as I asked, why do these companies need to do this at all to feed their AI? Why don't they just put all these workers and contract workers transcribing all the films ever made, along with all the TV programs and news in the world and feed it all into the AI, along with all the radio programs from the past and present, heck, just tune into every radio station broadcasting in the world right now to have billions of hours of voice recordings to feed the algorithm and then, on top of all that, pour all of the billions of hours of YouTube content into it:

How much voice content do they need to train the AI?
In short, you need lots of content to train the AI.

You can't train it on films or radio, for one thing the requests will be different. Then there are subtle differences such as background noise, inflexion etc. all of which will be different for films, radio or commands spoken to an inanimate device.

Neural networks work by blindly taking a large amount of input, putting each input through some mathematical transformations and summing the outputs. The maths (it's actually quite simple maths, just with a large number of "neurons" over increasing numbers of layers) is changed during training so that certain inputs, e.g. the sound of someone requesting that lights be turned off, results in the highest score for the output associated with that action.

Now imagine you trained that action on clips from radio or TV, turning the lights off is pretty much limited to scenes where there is an intruder, or the protagonists are hiding. Suddenly you're associating pitch, tone, background music, pretty much any input commonly associated with those kind of scenes with that output. Translate it to the real world and you have a really crap neural network. If we ever get to the point where we have strong AI, this will be less of an issue. For now however AI is dumb, it doesn't really think and it requires realistic training data.

Personally I don't really see the point in these "assistants" given the current state of the tech, but that's a different issue entirely.

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