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[ZDNet] Apple's Tim Cook: Silicon Valley has created privacy-violating 'chaos factory'

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In a speech to Stanford university graduates, Cook said the recent impact of the technology industry had not been "neat or straightforward", with the negative impact on privacy particularly bad.
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"If we accept as normal and unavoidable that everything in our lives can be aggregated, sold, or even leaked in the event of a hack, then we lose so much more than data," he said. "We lose the freedom to be human."
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"In a world without digital privacy, even if you have done nothing wrong other than think differently, you begin to censor yourself. Not entirely at first. Just a little, bit by bit... The chilling effect of digital surveillance is profound, and it touches everything."
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"What a small, unimaginative world we would end up with. Not entirely at first. Just a little, bit by bit. Ironically, it's the kind of environment that would have stopped Silicon Valley before it had even gotten started," he said.

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It's the wild west of data privacy out there, and almost nobody has your back. People don't understand it (because we have literally changed the face of human connectivity within a single generation... and there is no slowing down) so they don't even know what questions to ask to end up at the conclusion that they are being constantly monitored, tracked, quartered, and sold. If you don't know how something works, and there is nothing to directly point to as 'the problem' with these systems, then it is nearly impossible to get a group of laymen to agree on a direction for the solution. Experts will tell you directly, unless of course they are hired by those same corporations feeding off of us, that data privacy and protections are quite honestly as big an issue as any other national security threat. Telco's and big business have paid congressmen and senators to tell you and vote otherwise.

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I'm not sure why anyone has ever considered anything on the internet private. Ever.

In order for me to buy something on Amazon, it isn't even just about Amazon tracking which pages I look at, which pages I linger on, which links I follow, or which reviews I read. It's not even just about selling that data to Google so the ads for what I just looked at follow me elsewhere. It's much more fundamental than that - that the physical layers between me and Amazon also have to be able to read, understand, and broadcast that process, in order to make it possible for Product A's Amazon page to make it to my browser.

In between me and Amazon is not just my ISP, in my locality, but numerous other companies with physical equipment that processes my requests for information and links that I click. How could it be controlled? How could it be private? Sure, you could encrypt the content of the packets, but that doesn't change the ability to track that I requested information from Amazon and that Amazon sent some back.

The internet is fundamentally not a private environment, even when encrypted. It never has been. We're pining for days when people simply worse at using our data, not for days when they didn't have it.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post
I'm not sure why anyone has ever considered anything on the internet private. Ever.

In order for me to buy something on Amazon, it isn't even just about Amazon tracking which pages I look at, which pages I linger on, which links I follow, or which reviews I read. It's not even just about selling that data to Google so the ads for what I just looked at follow me elsewhere. It's much more fundamental than that - that the physical layers between me and Amazon also have to be able to read, understand, and broadcast that process, in order to make it possible for Product A's Amazon page to make it to my browser.

In between me and Amazon is not just my ISP, in my locality, but numerous other companies with physical equipment that processes my requests for information and links that I click. How could it be controlled? How could it be private? Sure, you could encrypt the content of the packets, but that doesn't change the ability to track that I requested information from Amazon and that Amazon sent some back.

The internet is fundamentally not a private environment, even when encrypted. It never has been. We're pining for days when people simply worse at using our data, not for days when they didn't have it.
you are wrong. esp before 2004 w/FB.

first isp i had was a unix shell account, remember winsock on WFW?
i use to dial up the local library and use thier menu WAIP(?) to the yahoo page and boom, lynx was my first browser. ya know there was a time when there were no cookies either.

mind blowing i know. but your statement is false.

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None of that addresses what I described in my post.
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"never has been."

i bolded that, in case you missed it. your post described the commercialization of the internet but gave a false narrative.

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Yes, and you responded by talking about things like your old web browser and lack of cookies, and completely ignored the part where I talked repeatedly about physical layer hardware.
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Yes, and you responded by talking about things like your old web browser and lack of cookies, and completely ignored the part where I talked repeatedly about physical layer hardware.
and winsock which is a "layer" as you put it. looks like i'm not the one missing things. pointing vulnerabilities does not mean there is a lack of privacy. even back then it was wise to use an SSL to ftp from another server, not that had anything to do with someone finding out what i was doing but for the kiddie h4ck3rZ that would sit in a irc channel and thought is was cool fun to ping flood someone.

to say vulnerabilities have always existed would be correct, but privacy?

NO.

kids might get upset about old folks talking about the "old days". ok, fair enough. but don't try to bullcrap me on how it was.

let me guess; an appeal to authority accusation or some other nonsense incoming, right?

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You're misunderstanding. No amount of software on your PC will ever affect the physical layer of the telecom network.
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that doesn't address the points in my post.

being dismissive works both ways.

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