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post #11 of 39 (permalink) Old 07-27-2019, 02:23 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Darren9 View Post
I did watch the video before making a comment on it thank-you very much and they are a steel workers union - "We bring one hundred and twenty five years experience", that's one hundred and twenty five years experience as a steel workers union with less than five of those years in their recent "crowd worker" projects - Never forget your roots

This IG Metall union was responsible for a bunch of other industries as well in Germany. They were the union for the car industry, electrical industry, machine engineering. You could end up being their responsibility with a white collar job as well like design engineer. I'm not sure about this, but I think you could also end up with them for stuff like doing some office job about logistics, purchasing, sales if it was for a business in one of their industries.

Also, the way things seem to be organized in Germany, unions are like some sort of official and regulated thing. When I tried to look things up, it seemed like there are rules that make stuff happen automatically, and a business and employees are automatically involved with a certain union if part of a certain industry, and the whole industry ends up with that one union.
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Thanks E! I was unsure as to why it was locked. I find the topic fascinating.
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There was an update video two days ago:

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One one side sure they have reasons to be pissed at the service provided on the other hand no one is forcing them to use those services. YouTubers love to call it a job because they have made it that for themselves but they are not YouTube's employees. Sure YouTube profits from people creating new content although aren't they still running in negative profit (money wise) for YT? Or so they say. They don't have to use YT, there are plenty other options to upload videos and share them as well as self hosting.

Now as far as those partnered and what not options go with YT, Twitch and what ever... well then that may be a contract etc. of some kind and then sure they have a right to be pissed at their business partner YT. Then don't do business with them if you don't like them, do business with someone else.

There are at least some branches of video production that won't even bother with YT almost at all. It's more of a general dump for videos of low quality. And lately a dump for video reviewers/advertisers but even that has alternatives.
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YouTubers love to call it a job [...]

Now as far as those partnered and what not options go with YT, Twitch and what ever... well then that may be a contract etc. of some kind and then sure they have a right to be pissed at their business partner YT. Then don't do business with them if you don't like them, do business with someone else.
You seem to regard youtubers with some contempt.

Now, as for the issue in your argument, the problem is that some people have been led to believe they had a proper career path in entertainment afforded to them by Youtube. Now, as with any successful enterprise, you usually have to go all in to make it grow from nothing, and that requires time and dedication, the investment of the former of which precludes another job. The usual dismissal is "then don't rely on Youtube for your survival", etc, but that's not really a choice if you ever want to make something decent of it.

Whether or not Youtube is in the black is not relevant to how they should treat their partners, which, in the end, are what grew the platform and made them money. If Google doesn't give content creators a fighting chance, soon we'll be left with nothing but beauty gurus and corporate mouth pieces, and the owners of the channels you and I like to watch will eventually go back to their jobs if they have the chance.

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You seem to regard youtubers with some contempt.
who doesn't?

even youtubers have contempt for other youtubers.

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I find this topic so fascinating. It really is new legal ground. It reminds of the court fights had in Washington State about signature gathering for petitions.

I knows it's not a 1:1 example, but I think some of the core concepts are similar.

Some stores in Washington State banned all forms of political activity on their properties. They didn't want to allow people to gather signatures for Initiatives, petitions, etc. One store would only allow the Salvation Army and Boy/Girl Scouts.

Courts ruled that stores could not do this. That depending on the structure of the location (ie parking lot, square, etc) even though privately owned, they are by and large, public areas where people gather for a variety of purposes and that their 1st Amendment Rights could not be violated. Malls were especially hit hard by this. Some courts said you couldn't "pick and chose" who gets to do what in a "public area" as long as the activity is legal.

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In 1979 the California Supreme Court said that the free speech provisions of the California constitution — which are more expansive than those of the federal constitution — protect “reasonably exercised” speech and petitioning activities in privately owned shopping centers. Robins v. Pruneyard Shopping Center, 23 Cal. 3d 899, 910 (1979).

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Subsequent decisions considering petitioning and related free speech rights at stand-alone retail establishments followed this reasoning and allowed the property owners to significantly restrict speech activities. See Costco Companies, Inc. v. Gallant, 96 Cal. App. 4th 740 (2002); Albertson’s, Inc. v. Young, 107 Cal. App. 4th 106 (2003); Van v. Target Corp., 155 Cal. App. 4th 1375 (2007).

What constitues a "public forum":

In order for a particular location to be considered a “quasi-public forum” where one has the right to solicit signatures, “it must be shown that the particular location is impressed with the character of a traditional public forum for purposes of free speech.” Id, Albertson’s, Inc. v. Young, 107 Cal. App. 4th 106, 122 (2003).


Again, I know it's not 1:1, but there is some precedent for this already. If youtube is deemed to be a public forum, then they have a serious problem on their hands, even in the US.

I think of YouTube as a global, digital public square where thoughts, ideas, etc are exchanged. If the courts see it in a similar way, there could be similar consequences for Google.
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that's what youtube WAS, which makes me believe it was part of the purchase decision process. Specially now a days, don't they still claim to make no money? Then why do you want to hold onto this giant ball of thought?

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