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post #11 of 142 (permalink) Old 06-17-2019, 09:16 AM
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Yeah, there haven’t been any good SATA releases yet this year. The 860 EVO, MX500, and WD Blue 3D are your best choices atm. The QLC based Intel 660p at 1TB is cheaper than all of them in the USA and faster.

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post #12 of 142 (permalink) Old 06-17-2019, 09:26 AM
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Pretty much any major brand SSD is going to be fine these days. Even a cheap SSD will vastly outlast a good HDD. Don't overthink it. You will replace your SSD someday because bigger ones are so much cheaper, not because it dies.

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post #14 of 142 (permalink) Old 06-19-2019, 09:59 AM - Thread Starter
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Sean Webster: Seems like there are but only for M.2, at least those are now getting as cheap as regular slow SATA.

ThrashZone: Saw that, that's why I'm not so keen on getting these cheaper QLC like 660p, but then you gotta run out of the cache so if you don't and cache can clean fast enough you're fine.

UltraMega: I barely use my small 840 EVO and it still has plenty writes on it. Those larger SSDs with low durability look unattractive.

That Silicon Power P34A80 and Corsair MP510 look interesting if I can find them at a good price. MX500 is 110-116EUR, WD is 116EUR, MP510 is 125EUR, not a big difference. Sure there are some no name, low name SU650 Adata or Patriot burst SATAs for 85 EUR but why get those DRAMless... Meanwhile sites/people keep recommending EX920 175 EUR which is now old and expensive compared to what is otherwise available, once good drives and recommendations even from Q1 2019 are too dated.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9799/best-ssds

No idea why Anand. has MP510 cost a fortune compared to EX920. Looking up their broken links to newegg EX920 is not $160 but $105 and MP510 not $220 but $125. Did prices change that much since end of February?
Seems SSD prices are dropping well since end of 2018, start of 2019, especially for those expensive drives that have a long way to drop.

What's the expected price of SSDs by end of 2019? How low may it go? My guess is as we see now those 3.0x4 drives will cost same as SATA drives do. But we won't see cheaper SATA as those already look to plateau for 1TB size.

It's nice to see that SSDs are finally adjusting their crazy price.

If only Corsair MP510, Silicon Power P34A80 and similar were better available. It seems ok in the West/Germany but not central EU because it's again... a different distribution channel, yep they still love to split the EU west and east even after Russians left 30 years ago. Prices differ for these SSDs a lot too between regions due to availability.

Might wait a little with a price watch and then grab one of these M.2 NVMe.
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  • Silicon Power P34A80 1TB, M.2 (SP001TBP34A80M28)
  • Corsair Force Series MP510 960GB, M.2 (CSSD-F960GBMP510)
  • Patriot Viper VPN100 NVMe SSD 1TB, M.2 (VPN100-1TBM28H)
  • TeamGroup PCIe SSD MP34 1TB, M.2 (TM8FP4001T0C101)
  • PNY XLR8 CS3030 M.2 NVMe SSD 1TB, M.2 (M280CS3030-1TB-RB)
  • LiteOn MU X1 1TB, M.2 (PP5-GD1024)
  • Seagate FireCuda 510 SSD 1TB, M.2 (ZP1000GM30011)
  • Gigabyte Aorus RGB AIC NVMe SSD 1TB, PCIe 3.0 x4 (GP-ASACNE2100TTTDR)
  • MyDigitalSSD BPX Pro 960GB (not in EU yet, if ever, been on market a while now elsewhere, their only EU distributor's site is dead too)
  • Sabrent 1TB Rocket (SB-ROCKET-1TB) (barely available and expensive in EU)

Some are easier to purchase than other, all are the "same" design E12 + Toshiba. Prices vary a lot as does availability at least in EU.
Some are around a while, some are poping up now.

Dug out some more but they are the more expensive = skip models.

The original Phison design was with 960GB, and Corsair might be on market probably the longest, the later are using less over provisioning, firmware version depends on when one buys them as even the Corsairs can come with latest firmware. No idea if one can change the OP on Corsair with their SSD tool, Samsung used to have something like that but maybe that was only for extra user selected OP.

Only the Patriot comes with a one sided heatsink... and Gigabyte's PCIe solution probably has one under the RGB shroud nonsense, it better.

DIY heatsink, two sided, screwed not with silicon bands, with thermal pads, costs around $5 shipped. Already have one on the way.

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Depends, if you're going to install an OS and some Utilities, go with a 500GB SSD but if you want just an SSD for everything else including games, then yes 1TB+.

There was a thread here not too long ago discussing SSD quality. Known brand names are safe. I've used Samsung and Crucial myself with no problems.

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Crucial MX500 is a bit old now but still OK?

I've got the 500 GB version and also got one for a relative after a while, they're both fine. Mine has more than 2.4K power on hours on it.


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I'm thinking whether to cancel my Corsair order and get the Silicon Power locally for a little less but from a much much smaller shop. Still considering that 5 days before showing stock none of the local shops had idea about availability (asked via email), saying maybe month etc. and then 5 days later their distributor updates and suddenly they all have stock magically yet one will at least say 2 weeks delivery not instant as I bet those drives are at distributor/supplier not already bought by shops in their warehouse. Well will see, I don't feel like waiting for a big shop 3 weeks to ship a higher price lower usable capacity drive.

Anyone can comment on the software provided with Corsair vs Silicon power and what it can do? Change OP? Update firmware?
MP500 didn't have all software features available, probably same story with MP510 and that OP in Corsair SSD toolbox is probably same as Samsung and extra OP user can add, not reduce their predefined in firmware OP. Silicon power I don't see any OP adjustment.

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I don't think there is any reason to be bothering with 500GB drives unless one is constrained on their build, such as years ago when 250GB was the sweet spot to buy, now 1TB is.
Drives like MX500 etc. all the SATA drives are in my opinion dead deal wise as one can now buy the 6x faster NVMe drives at near equal price. The prices have changed in last 6 months a lot. Modern motherboards now come with more NVMe ports and more PCIe lanes, it's only old systems that will struggle to use NVMe/M.2 drives well.

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Corsair MP510 supposedly can be firmware updated in the SSD Toolbox but only after a long time when Corsair actually adds the udpate. And there is 12.3 from Phison somewhere that can somehow be loaded onto the Corsair and it works, no idea if it stays 960GB or turns to 1TB, where or how, ppl didn't post links.

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I agree on the capacity, I bought the 500 GB drive more than a year ago, today I would buy the 1 TB version.


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Silicon Power P34A80 1TB, M.2 (SP001TBP34A80M28)

Running PCIe 2.0 x2 (Z97 via chipset, everything is via chipset on these isn't it), max around 800MB/s (verification read, up to 500MB/s write due to SATA source drive even with anti malware temporarily off as that was slowing it all the way to 200MB/s) in folder copy use of various small and large files 100GB total, reaching 68C max with no heatsink during verification of copied files (open test bench, mobo laying on it's box). Heatsink arrived day before the drive but I wanted to check how hot does it get without it, well it does get toasty a bit even running "low" speeds compared to it's PCIe 3.0 x4 performance.
In the various benches it's around 750-835MB/s on PCIe2.0 x2

Firmware 12.2, usable space after format 1,000,186,876 k = 953.85 GB as shown in windows and that is the REAL size because 1,000,186,876 / 2^20 = 953.85 GB = 0.93 TB. So I don't get it what some reviewers are complaining about in terms of "low" over provisioning, there is a crap ton of it as I bet these flash modules are 1 TB = 1,099,511,627,776 B ==> 70.15 GB of over provisioning. They should rather complain about the endless marketing mess these companies and corporations are doing by using 1000/base10 multiplier often when talking about drive capacities instead of the real thing which is 1024/base2 multiplier. So they advertise 1TB but all you get is 0.93TB. They are using the difference there is between base10 and base2 to create the over provisioning necessary.

In CrystalDiskInfo the size is reported as "Disk Size : 1024.2 GB" which is for all drives as I see the real deal size in good old base2 Bytes not the marketing nonsense. So it is full 1TB deep down but cut down from 1024GB to 953.85GB due to over provisioning.
The SP has 6.85% over provisioning, aka the usual "7%" drives for regular people not servers have.

Is Corsair MP510 even smaller or tiny bit larger? Are they simply being more honest with the drive size, saying it's 960GB? Who knows, I can't find it in a single review that they would actually go look how much space there is unformatted and formatted, figure out how much OP there is beside what they get told by marketing.
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