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I've got the 500 GB version and also got one for a relative after a while, they're both fine. Mine has more than 2.4K power on hours on it.
I used a Crucial M4 128gb as a boot drive from late 2011 to early 2019, only to be replaced by a MX500 500gb model as boot. I've got multiple other crucial drives, each a different model (aside from another mx500 in 250gb), m500, bx100, mx100 and all are still in use daily without issue. I've even got two Hyundai branded SSD's I've got on the cheap that have been rock solid - so far.

Aside from the ebay knock off junk, I'd say any half decent brand of SSD is reliable enough. Certainly more than I've ever trusted any of my spinning drives.


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Silicon Power P34A80 1TB, M.2 (SP001TBP34A80M28)

Running PCIe 2.0 x2 (Z97 via chipset, everything is via chipset on these isn't it), max around 800MB/s (verification read, up to 500MB/s write due to SATA source drive even with anti malware temporarily off as that was slowing it all the way to 200MB/s) in folder copy use of various small and large files 100GB total, reaching 68C max with no heatsink during verification of copied files (open test bench, mobo laying on it's box). Heatsink arrived day before the drive but I wanted to check how hot does it get without it, well it does get toasty a bit even running "low" speeds compared to it's PCIe 3.0 x4 performance.
In the various benches it's around 750-835MB/s on PCIe2.0 x2



Wow that's quite the bottleneck. Quite toasty as well, that's strange. Here's my Inland Premium with Spectre and Meltdown mitigations disabled, and temperatures after running AS SSD in a case with ok airflow (no heatsink)
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Wow that's quite the bottleneck. Quite toasty as well, that's strange. Here's my Inland Premium with Spectre and Meltdown mitigations disabled, and temperatures after running AS SSD in a case with ok airflow (no heatsink)
Yes it is, PCI 2.0 x2 is 1GB/s and drives on it usually run around 800MB/s. With this in mind the performance I get is as expected and as should be. All black hole vulnerabilities are patched and enabled.
The temperatures on these drives are likely not precise, Guru3D on MP510 had 50C reported yet their thermal camera was showing 82C surface temperature on the controller.

I've touched the drive during one of the transfers and yes it was hot to touch and very likely wouldn't be happy holding my finger on it.

Running MD5 check now but MD5 is slow so CPU is the bottleneck anyway, 200-250 MB/s read.
It's reporting 53C, touched it, ouch ouch ouch, now it's 52C, and back again to 53C, 54C, ... 58C

Thing gets toasty that's for sure.

I have this heatsink waiting, <$5, double sided with 3 thermal pads of 3 different thicknesses, decent packaging, 7 screws and a screwdriver:



Will it help... well a little from what I read but it's better than nothing. One would need one of those gigantic tall ones or active airflow to cool the drive hard down, but they don't need it I think, as long as the controller doesn't trip OTP and slow down it should be fine.
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The temperatures on these drives are likely not precise, Guru3D on MP510 had 50C reported yet their thermal camera was showing 82C surface temperature on the controller.

Very true and something I considered, and seeing as how Inland couldn't even be bothered to program a name for it (shows up generically as PCIe SSD) I wouldn't doubt the temps are highly inaccurate. Can't easily do the touch test on my setup though sadly so it's all I have to go on for now.

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           Model : SPCC M.2 PCIe SSD
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       Disk Size : 1024.2 GB
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       Interface : NVM Express
   Major Version : NVM Express 1.3
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   Transfer Mode : PCIe 2.0 x2 | PCIe 3.0 x4
     Temperature : 23 C (73 F)
   Health Status : Good (100 %)
        Features : S.M.A.R.T.
       APM Level : ----
       AAM Level : ----
On idle it's cold, I think it's lying as the controller is still fairly hot to touch, not warm, hot.

Silicon Power... CC no idea what that's supposed to be in model name.

Moved part of Steam library to it, no idea why internet is full of complicated mechanisms and even whole Steam library management apps when all I always need to do is move/copy the game files to a different Steam library. Since I'm retiring the old one no need to even create a new library in Steam, simply rename 1 letter = drive letter in 2 config files of Steam, done, library moved and set as default.
Battle.net is a little more friendly to this and outright supports selection of where each game is installed where as Steam detects contents of it's library folders. Nowadays Steam supports to move games one by one but that old simple move/copy works always, there is no reason for it not to.

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The temperature sensor on my drive is definitely reading too low, started at 8C now at 15C idle, compared to everything else in system reporting 22-28C starting/minimum temperature and idling around 28-34C.
So the sensor is wrong by about -15 to -20C.

Heatsink is low enough that a GPU over it would fit. At best you need 0.5mm, 1mm and 2mm thermal pads, the 2mm is for underside of the controller.
Heat dissipation so far working well, have not seen the drive reporting over 40C today and heatsink is warm to touch but not painfully hot, it is most warm over the controller.

I would say these drives do benefit from any form of cooling to keep the controller temperature in check.
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Is Corsair MP510 even smaller or tiny bit larger? Are they simply being more honest with the drive size, saying it's 960GB? Who knows, I can't find it in a single review that they would actually go look how much space there is unformatted and formatted, figure out how much OP there is beside what they get told by marketing.
The MP510 formats to 894GB, yet shows capacity as 960GB. Corsair SSED Toolbox is completely useless in reporting or adjusting overprovisioning on this drive (surprise, surprise....useless Corsair software!). So.....I'm guessing there may be a 64GB overprovision.
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The 1TB drives such as SP are this: 1TB + the usual OP of difference between 1TB marketing and 1TB reality aka roughly 7% OP (1,099,511,627,776 B = 1 TB = 1024 GB reality vs 1,024,191,361,024 B after OP aka marketing "1 TB" aka 953.85 GB).

1 TB marketed drives have 70.15 GB = 6.85 % OP ==> 953.85 GB usable.
960 GB marketed drives have 129.75 GB = 12.67 % OP ==> 894.25 GB usable.

The Corsair 960 GB has extra 59.60 GB of OP.

Yes I looked into the software before buying, asked Corsair and SP directly on their web and shops, what firmware their drives ship with and if it's possible to update it by user with their tools, pretty much the replies are it ships with "latest" and those tools they won't even say are working with these drives and ignore the questions. Reviews when they checked the software also I think said, tools not working with these drives yet.

I think 12.3 firmware exists and some people were flashing it somehow even onto Corsair. But they gave no links and how to as they didn't want to be "responsible" for someone bricking their drive.
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Thanks!

The 1TB drives such as SP are this: 1TB + the usual OP of difference between 1TB marketing and 1TB reality aka roughly 7% OP (1,099,511,627,776 B = 1 TB = 1024 GB reality vs 1,024,191,361,024 B after OP aka marketing "1 TB" aka 953.85 GB).

1 TB marketed drives have 70.15 GB = 6.85 % OP ==> 953.85 GB usable.
960 GB marketed drives have 129.75 GB = 12.67 % OP ==> 894.25 GB usable.

The Corsair 960 GB has extra 59.60 GB of OP.

Yes I looked into the software before buying, asked Corsair and SP directly on their web and shops, what firmware their drives ship with and if it's possible to update it by user with their tools, pretty much the replies are it ships with "latest" and those tools they won't even say are working with these drives and ignore the questions. Reviews when they checked the software also I think said, tools not working with these drives yet.

I think 12.3 firmware exists and some people were flashing it somehow even onto Corsair. But they gave no links and how to as they didn't want to be "responsible" for someone bricking their drive.
My MP510 shipped with 12.2. The toolbox does support firmware updates, and checked for updates. I grabbed the Corsair cheap on a NewEgg flash sale that I saw during the process of ordering the Viper while it was on sale. I figure that Corsair at least has customer service that responds, and were very good about replacing a mysteriously bricked SSD I had from them a few years ago.

So far I"m happy with the drive despite the software. Used a Silverstone M24 as the interface and benched with and without the heatsink. Gets about a 10-12 degree drop with the heatsink and hasn't seen over 51C during tests or large transfers. Idle sits around 5C above in case air temps. Speeds are as advertised.

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Silverstone has some nicer adapters for sure it seems. Can't find them locally though.

Added 12.3 update to OP. Use at your own risk, I don't see a need to update, has been done on MP510 and the SP drives before. There is also 12.2 update from a company selling these E12+Toshiba drives.
Yeah these drives are dirt cheap especially in US. In EU it's more around +46% in price, tax included, +22% without tax. Who knows if they will drop a bit again in autumn. Locally the supply is not that great in terms of shops having stock and availability of specific models varies in each distribution region and where shops like to buy from.
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I think you're missing ADATA's XPG SX8200 Pro, it's basically a cheaper Samsung 970 Evo even if it's using Silicon Motion SM2262 and Micron 64L 3D TLC.


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