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post #31 of 134 (permalink) Old 07-14-2019, 11:51 AM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
I think you're missing ADATA's XPG SX8200 Pro, it's basically a cheaper Samsung 970 Evo even if it's using Silicon Motion SM2262 and Micron 64L 3D TLC.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13759...-vs-hp-ex950/6
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3323...sd-review.html
Not really, personally I did not like that drive from reviews and it's not a Phison controller it's SM2262EN, SM2262 is even worse. + Micron memory chips. It tends to have similar results to 660p/P1 at times, it's full performance is poor in comparisons and overall it seems slower than E12 + Toshiba, not always but not rarely either.
It's not much more expensive than the E12 + Toshiba but it is. +24% locally. It does not perform +24% better if at all. Supposedly 1TB max where as the E12 + Toshiba do exists in 2TB as well. The HP EX950 costs even more (and has 2TB). Durability... probably speculation on all drives but that's something the E12 + Toshiba loves to market as high with 1.6-1.7 PBW.

The SM2262EN drives aren't probably awful but are worse value in most cases.

The performance difference between SATA and even PCIe4.0x4 aka 10x difference... good luck to humans noticing that in regular use, games etc. It's more important when one moves, copies files frequently in large quantities, such as videos, huge ISOs, VMs, or runs servers.
Still why buy old SATA if one can use M.2 with faster speed for right now close to identical price.

Given they may be very similar in performance and reliability, simply get the cheaper one.

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Yeah I haven't bothered with m.2 price wise too just no real gain in them
They also usually need a heatsink which adds more costs.

Limited mounting unlike sata 2.5's can be mounted anywhere with velcro
2.5" sata is just fine
Only some benchmarks like m.2's.. like passmark performance test 8-9-10.
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Hi,
Yeah I haven't bothered with m.2 price wise too just no real gain in them
They also usually need a heatsink which adds more costs.

Limited mounting unlike sata 2.5's can be mounted anywhere with velcro
2.5" sata is just fine
Only some benchmarks like m.2's.. like passmark performance test 8-9-10.
Others could care a less.
I can see that. But.....I needed a new 1TB drive. For $5 more than a SATA drive with TLC I could get an NVME drive. Putting the performance difference aside, it was worth $5 to me to get the physical drive and cables out of my rig. Just less clutter.

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If I were going to get a m.2
Since i do not sli
I would mount it near the second pci-e slot

I'm just not there and like to dual/ tri-boot too much to risk other disks/os corruption.
So i choose to use an easy swap evo 2.5" dual ssd bay instead and can't get a m.2 to work in it

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If one has an empty M.2 port even this old 2.0x2 as I have right now I think it's worth it to get the M.2 NVMe when motherboard supports it. The price for M.2 NVMe is now same as SATA 2.5" and SATA M.2 drives, and for me locally this Silicon Power P34A80 1TB is actually cheaper than 99% of available MX500 and WD Blue 3D NAND SATA drives. I don't know what's going on with SATA drives but they kind of stalled in progress and prices while NVMe is so much faster even if you may not easily notice and dropped to equal price level as those old SATA drives.

The only downside to SSDs is that 4TB is rare and very expensive, prices have to drop even more to be comparable to HDDs.
1TB SSD costs as much as 4TB HDD.

A dual sided heatsink for M.2 costs <$5 if you look around, shipped. Or <$10 if you go with what ever you find and in US those same heatsinks from Aliexpress are all over Amazon, Newegg etc.
The manufacturer is jeyi.com, they also have all the x4 PCIe adapters you could ever need: https://jeyi.aliexpress.com/store/gr...7a773ed1uTM6nZ
This is the one I have, only bought it elsewhere for <$5 shipped.
And there are plenty other heatsinks for similar prices with different design and attachment mechanism, I simply preferred this low profile 6 screws one.

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Only deal is 970 evo 1tb 160.us I'll take 2 if you're buying.

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Those Samsungs are so pricey compared to how far other SSDs have dropped in price in last 12 months. 2x price here (970 EVO/Plus 1TB) compared to the E12+Toshiba drives. Samsung still did not adjust their pricing enough to be worth even considering XD In US... well maybe, but it's still 60 USD more expensive = +60% in price instead of +100% if you can truly find them for 160 USD. Those MLC... well they are gonna be gone soon for sure from products targeted at regular people, though is EVO even MLC or a TLC in disguise? 3bit MLC smells like TLC to me.
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970 Evo is basically TLC since the sustained write tanks once you pass the SLC cache (18GB on original Evo /22GB on the 500GB "plus", 36 GB on the original Evo / 42GB on the 1TB "plus").
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13761...lus-ssd-review
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970 Evo is basically TLC since the sustained write tanks once you pass the SLC cache (18GB on original Evo /22GB on the 500GB "plus", 36 GB on the original Evo / 42GB on the 1TB "plus").
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13761...lus-ssd-review
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12670...evo-ssd-review
Hi,
Ran across this one 150.us :/
https://www.amazon.com/XPG-SX8200-Ge...tronics&sr=1-3

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According to this database:
http://www.johnnylucky.org/data-stor...-database.html

Corsair has Hynix DDR4 on their MP510 (with highest rated endurance) , Team Group's MP34 similarly lists Hynix DDR4-2400, Gigabyte Aorus has DDR4 as well on the Aorus RGB SSD

Patriot Viper has a question mark.

MydigitalSSD BPX Pro is listed as DDR3L or DDR4 , same goes for the PNY XLR8 CS3030.

Seagate Firecuda isn't listed as using a Phison E12 , however this suggests these sites say it is a rebrand: https://aphnetworks.com/reviews/seag...cuda-510-1tb/2 , https://www.computerbase.de/2019-05/...-ssd-2tb-test/ .

Looking at the list for PCIE 3.0x 4 it seems there's only Samsung in-house, Phison, Silicon Motion, Marvell (only on Plextor's drives). There's a few one off such as Toshiba's TC58NCP090GSB on the XG6 and WD/Sandisk's in-house controller on WD Black SN750. Adata also has a few older drives based on Realtek controllers.


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The Sabrent Rocket you listed as expensive is using Phison E16 and is PCIE 4.0 , $110 on Amazon for 1TB currently https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Rocke.../dp/B07LGF54XR.


edit: Confused Sabrent Rocket naming , my mistake.

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