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post #41 of 131 (permalink) Old 07-17-2019, 11:23 AM
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I don't know what's going on with SATA drives but they kind of stalled in progress and prices while NVMe is so much faster even if you may not easily notice and dropped to equal price level as those old SATA drives.
As far as speed, it's not like they can do much on that front. They've already hit the limit of the SATA bus more than 5 years ago.

I agree with pricing. At current densities, it's possible to fit 16+TB on the current 2.5" form factor. It's just going to be prohibitively expensive at the moment even with QLC. I doubt demand is currently there for such drives (at least on the consumer end). Hopefully though, QLC pricing goes down eventually as it did with TLC/3D TLC. Maybe when they start using more NAND packages (ergo more parallelism) to get to higher capacities, we'll see QLC-based SSDs saturating SATA for sustained sequential writes again. Sure would be nice to get an 8TB SSD for under $500.

The SATA standard is what it is though and it's not gonna exceed PCIe ever.
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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
According to this database:
http://www.johnnylucky.org/data-stor...-database.html

Corsair has Hynix DDR4 on their MP510 (with highest rated endurance) , Team Group's MP34 similarly lists Hynix DDR4-2400, Gigabyte Aorus has DDR4 as well on the Aorus RGB SSD

Patriot Viper has a question mark.

MydigitalSSD BPX Pro is listed as DDR3L or DDR4 , same goes for the PNY XLR8 CS3030.

Seagate Firecuda isn't listed as using a Phison E12 , however this suggests these sites say it is a rebrand: https://aphnetworks.com/reviews/seag...cuda-510-1tb/2 , https://www.computerbase.de/2019-05/...-ssd-2tb-test/ .

Looking at the list for PCIE 3.0x 4 it seems there's only Samsung in-house, Phison, Silicon Motion, Marvell (only on Plextor's drives). There's a few one off such as Toshiba's TC58NCP090GSB on the XG6 and WD/Sandisk's in-house controller on WD Black SN750. Adata also has a few older drives based on Realtek controllers.


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The Sabrent Rocket you listed as expensive is using Phison E16 and is PCIE 4.0 , $110 on Amazon for 1TB currently https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Rocke.../dp/B07LGF54XR.
Anandtech photos:
SK Hynix:
SP, Corsair

Nanya:
TeamGroup

As if it matters, they probably just put what they have on the line that day from supplier. TG and Viper have same but a little different PCB and is not engineering sample design as are SP and Corsair.

FireCuda 510 is listed as Controller Phison PS5012-E12, 8 channels, Memory modules 3D-NAND TLC, Toshiba/​WD, 64 Layer (BiCS3) and the very same common specs even in their own datasheet as all other E12+Toshiba drives, photos show same PCB design.
Photos and review here:
https://www.modders-inc.com/seagate-...0-nvme-review/
https://aphnetworks.com/reviews/seag...cuda-510-1tb/2
It's nothing more than an E12+Toshiba same as all other. All they did was pay Phison to print Seagate on the controller. And bang, +100 EUR in price to the customer! That's how you make money at Seagate.
Same RAM too.

I've listed SB-ROCKET-1TB which is PCIe3.0x4 same as your link is. Not SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB which is PCIe4.0x4.


Silicon Power from the Anandtech photo, I don't think I took photo of mine without heatsink, all the other photos of Corsair, Seagate have the same RAM too:

https://www.skhynix.com/products.vie...q=2311&cseq=73
H5AN4G8NBJR UHC 814V

DDR4-2400 17-17-17, 4Gb / 512Mx8, 78 ball FBGA, you can read the other timings out of specs.

512MB DDR4-2400 per side on 1TB drive.

Viper VPN100 1TB is also double sided. Of course there are differences in single/double side and RAM available for each capacity model.

If one wanted to for some business purpose they could probably look up the factory making all these drives and order a batch with their own sticker on it. That's how it's done these days with many things, 1 source many stickers with different names.

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SATA old slow interface and same hardware as other SSDs on M.2/PCIe. SATA SSD is dead until they start offering large capacities at low prices, that's where they have the space to fit more chips unlike M.2 drives that can only fit so much into the small form factor.
With new boards having even 3x M.2 and direct connections to CPU instead of chipset, SATA unable/unwilling to drop prices lower to compete on value, SATA SSDs have had it, nearly no one should be buying them anymore.
I know it can't get any faster, but even cost wise it seems they reached same minimum right now as M.2/PCIe drives, in the end M.2 is even cheaper to manufacture as there are no enclosures to make and pay for, less connectors, etc. even hardware cost wise M.2 is cheaper to make. Hell they probably spit the drives in mass and then cut them to individual pieces. Where as with SATA drives, some poor humans have to assemble it or they have another machines putting it all together. M.2 cheaper to make than SATA drives.

Those QLC drives are hardly worth anything right now in any form factor.

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I think you're missing ADATA's XPG SX8200 Pro, it's basically a cheaper Samsung 970 Evo even if it's using Silicon Motion SM2262 and Micron 64L 3D TLC.


https://www.anandtech.com/show/13759...-vs-hp-ex950/6

http://www.thessdreview.com/our-revi...-ssd-review/4/


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3323...sd-review.html
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Ended up picking up 2-512gb and 1-1tb over on amazon the other day thanks for the post
Only saved about 50 bucks but still reads on these things are pretty good

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SATA old slow interface and same hardware as other SSDs on M.2/PCIe. SATA SSD is dead until they start offering large capacities at low prices, that's where they have the space to fit more chips unlike M.2 drives that can only fit so much into the small form factor.

I know it can't get any faster, but even cost wise it seems they reached same minimum right now as M.2/PCIe drives, in the end M.2 is even cheaper to manufacture as there are no enclosures to make and pay for, less connectors, etc. even hardware cost wise M.2 is cheaper to make. Hell they probably spit the drives in mass and then cut them to individual pieces. Where as with SATA drives, some poor humans have to assemble it or they have another machines putting it all together. M.2 cheaper to make than SATA drives.

Those QLC drives are hardly worth anything right now in any form factor.
I expect that's the ultimate end goal - HDD bulk storage replacement rather than setting performance records. I believe enterprise SSDs have started to switch to QLC already. Drive density can a big factor there.

As for consumer QLC SSDs, they're expensive compared to faster TLC unless you need 4TB and don't really have much of an option. Mind, we were in this same situation during the MLC to TLC transition as far as cost. I expect the cost thing will change eventually. However, I just don't see QLC going inside high-end performance SSDs.
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Not terrible my x99's score a lot faster than 2.5" 860 pro
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x299's is a little disappointing :/
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x299's is a little disappointing :/
Looking at your results, I feel like something is wrong. I'm running the Corsair MP510 on a Z97 Sabertooth with a Silverstone PCIe card and getting significantly better results. The tests I've seen had these two drives much closer. Your 4K-64 looks really low. I have no idea what would cause that.
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Yep write is about right it's just read that is way off
All three are rated for 3500
I know might not get that high but 3k should of been a better neighborhood :/

Just setting up the 1tb now about ready to run it in a few more minutes.

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Still not getting anywhere near 3000 on either read or writes on a 1tb rated for 3500 and 3000 :/

Could very well be board or bios for board it shows no m.2 preferences in onboard devices
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Still not getting anywhere near 3000 on either read or writes on a 1tb rated for 3500 and 3000 :/

Could very well be board or bios for board it shows no m.2 preferences in onboard devices
Those speeds are results from ATTO. You'll never get 3000+ in AS SSD with one of these drives. Give it an ATTO run to see where you come up.

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