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post #71 of 131 (permalink) Old 07-21-2019, 09:42 AM
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Thinking hwinfo is the only consistent reader of read-writes on ssd's :/
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Thinking hwinfo is the only consistent reader of read-writes on ssd's :/
Nah, you just need to run Windows optimize and let the drive/system idle for like 5-10 min. Restart. Let idle for 10-15 min. Then retest.

I do this daily testing out new SSDs it gets daunting really fast when you have to retest 30-50 drives with multiple benches and get consistent results.

CDM isn't that good. It has issues with how it benches. Most benches like AS SSD, Anvil, ATTO, etc aren't that great either.

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Not really looking for more technical toys to play with just a simple ssd test
But that maybe too much to ask and stuck with inconsistent utilities and flip a coin on which one to believe.

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I've never had issues with AS, ATTO, CDM, etc. the only difference between them in performance is based on what type of read/write they do for each test.

If you want more real world test, use the drive while reading and writing 100 GB etc. from a faster source.

With heatsink my drive reports 58 C max and that's with +15 C offset to fix the sensor reading too low, writing 200 GB. The heatsink works very well in lowering drive temperature.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Not really looking for more technical toys to play with just a simple ssd test
But that maybe too much to ask and stuck with inconsistent utilities and flip a coin on which one to believe.

Samsung sent the 970 evo on camel express so won't see it till maybe July 29th
Just do what I said for benching.

Run Windows optimize and let the drive/system idle for like 5-10 min. Restart. Let idle for 10-15 min. Then retest. Post them results!

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I've never had issues with AS, ATTO, CDM, etc. the only difference between them in performance is based on what type of read/write they do for each test.
Not exactly. It is also how they are coded and implement and process the workloads too. For example, because CDM was written it doesn't deliver accurate 4K QD1 results with Optane SSDs. Anvil has issues still with seq. AS SSD can't hit rated specs either. ATTO is just sequential testing, which is crap.

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If you want more real world test, use the drive while reading and writing 100 GB etc. from a faster source.

With heatsink my drive reports 58 C max and that's with +15 C offset to fix the sensor reading too low, writing 200 GB. The heatsink works very well in lowering drive temperature.
That's not necessarily more of a real-world test that you described there. It isn't a real-world workload for 90% of the people out there more than maybe a handful of times in their use. Most don't have a faster source drive, its usually slower, and most don't have workloads that involve moving 100-200-GB at a time. Not saying it doesn't have its place to show performance, but that is usually a rare workload for many. Ex. Initial clone/data migration. More often than not, people opt for a single NVMe SSD and maybe a secondary SATA HDD or SSD at best for bulk storage/games libraries.

What drive do you have? Just wondering about that 15C offset you're talking about.

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Just do what I said for benching.

Run Windows optimize and let the drive/system idle for like 5-10 min. Restart. Let idle for 10-15 min. Then retest. Post them results!

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I'm running test as you say pretty much
It's just the tests in general I thought we had a difference
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Just the last 2 images I posted shows CDM's write speed is out of it's mind

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That's not necessarily more of a real-world test that you described there. It isn't a real-world workload for 90% of the people out there more than maybe a handful of times in their use. Most don't have a faster source drive, its usually slower, and most don't have workloads that involve moving 100-200-GB at a time. Not saying it doesn't have its place to show performance, but that is usually a rare workload for many. Ex. Initial clone/data migration. More often than not, people opt for a single NVMe SSD and maybe a secondary SATA HDD or SSD at best for bulk storage/games libraries.

What drive do you have? Just wondering about that 15C offset you're talking about.
A real world test, you wanted to test for max speeds. Daily usage varies of course from person to person.

I have the SP P34A80 1TB. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13955...newer-firmware
These E12 drives love to report low temperature based on reviews (comparison of reading vs thermal camera) and my own experience. 8C on start up, well the ambient wasn't lower than probably 23C, so dream on temperature sensor, dream on, while other drives SSD and HDD report 23-26C.

Why buy a fast drive? Well now these E12 based drives cost at least same as old SATA or less (at least when there isn't a shortage and you hunt for best deal for both). There are use cases where having a fast storage is a necessity, such as VMs, Photoshop cache, writing live recordings, processing large bitrate videos, ... if you don't need the speed than the access time isn't much different from SATA to notice.

On something like x99, x299 don't you have enough lanes to use a direct to CPU connection? A 3.0x4 adding card with M.2 NVMe. If you don't already have a direct M.2 port on the mobo.
You should not be getting so varying results. 500MB/s write was it? I'm getting 830MB/s on 2.0x2.

AS SSD: 761/764
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HWiNFO reports: 800+/800+ on large file read/writes, I don't copy 100GB, 200GB large folders/files directly but over 1 GB RAM cache with verification that transfer was correct. The drive burst writes max speed and that hash check isn't CPU bound so it reads at max speed.

Never saw reviewers complain that these test tools were inaccurate and inconsistent in speeds they report. They wouldn't keep using them really, plus there are also options for multiple reads/writes to average the results.
The SM2262EN don't like being close to full, they probably use SLC quite a bit to boost performance, but even latencies go up when full, go figure with those. Some places they aren't that expensive but elsewhere they can be.
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On something like x99, x299 don't you have enough lanes to use a direct to CPU connection? A 3.0x4 adding card with M.2 NVMe. If you don't already have a direct M.2 port on the mobo.
You should not be getting so varying results. 500MB/s write was it? I'm getting 830MB/s on 2.0x2.

AS SSD: 761/764
ATTO: 780/783
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CDM: 828/835 MB/s read/write
HWiNFO reports: 800+/800+ on large file read/writes, I don't copy 100GB, 200GB large folders/files directly but over 1 GB RAM cache with verification that transfer was correct. The drive burst writes max speed and that hash check isn't CPU bound so it reads at max speed.

Never saw reviewers complain that these test tools were inaccurate and inconsistent in speeds they report. They wouldn't keep using them really, plus there are also options for multiple reads/writes to average the results.
The SM2262EN don't like being close to full, they probably use SLC quite a bit to boost performance, but even latencies go up when full, go figure with those. Some places they aren't that expensive but elsewhere they can be.
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Hmmm, I've had some Phison E12 based SSDs show their slower direct to TLC write speeds like that before. That looks like the NAND needs a good burn-in still. When I run into that, to clean up/fix my results I do a PCMark 8 storage test run. Usually, that writes like 300-600GB and reads about half that and that will get the write speed running right when all done. Instead of running that benchmark, you could also just copy a lot of data from already on the drive to the drive (gotta do both reads and writes) and just delete it after and run the optimize function and restart and retest. See if performance cleans up then since you're not thermal throttling.

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A real world test, you wanted to test for max speeds. Daily usage varies of course from person to person.

I have the SP P34A80 1TB. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13955...newer-firmware
These E12 drives love to report low temperature based on reviews (comparison of reading vs thermal camera) and my own experience. 8C on startup, well the ambient wasn't lower than probably 23C, so dream on temperature sensor, dream on, while other drives SSD and HDD report 23-26C.
That's strange. I have that and a few other E12 based SSDs and they all report their controller temps fine in my test system. Just popped in a 1TB Corsair Force MP510 to double-check and idle is 35C in a 25C room and a 1.92TB BPX Pro idles at 29C. (Just updated to Phison's latest firmware 12.3)

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Never saw reviewers complain that these test tools were inaccurate and inconsistent in speeds they report. They wouldn't keep using them really, plus there are also options for multiple reads/writes to average the results.
The SM2262EN don't like being close to full, they probably use SLC quite a bit to boost performance, but even latencies go up when full, go figure with those. Some places they aren't that expensive but elsewhere they can be.
Hey, why don't I count as a reviewer? I review SSDs at Tom's Hardware. You just don't talk to us often. hehe. I'm friends with Allyn from PC Perspective(now at Intel), Billy over there at Anandtech, as well as others (reviewers and company engineers alike). If you've ever get to chat with them, see how much they recommend those tools if you are serious about performance comparisons. They are fine for quick checks by the masses sure, but while convenient and easy to use, they do have their quirks and caveats. Allyn is actually the one who figured out the CDM issue with Optane drives for me since I was using it in reviews because it was convenient. Now I'm just using iometer for synthetic testing, though i had been meaning to switch over anyways for better data before that came to light.

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