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Well DC right now is much the same way, people can run what they want when they want to, which is the way I like it. Take that away and you become just another cog in the machinery.......
That's the same thing I thought as well. I don't think restricting volunteers is going to work out very well, at least as long as there are alternatives like [email protected], GIMPS, and Distributed.net.

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Im not sure about this myself for a few reasons its not BOINC its someone else that has no part of boinc anymore trying to push his own agenda now it seems like.
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In 2016 BOINC became a community-run project; I don't control it. The new project, TBD, will be separate from BOINC. I hope that the BOINC community likes and supports TBD, but some people might not, and I don't want to step on their toes. Of course, I'm interested in hearing comments and criticisms about TBD, and in discussing it.

I've been mostly MIA from BOINC for the last couple of years, because I've been working full-time on other projects. I apologize for this. With this new funding, I'll be able to devote a good chunk of my time to managing and contributing to BOINC, e.g. setting up a functional release management process.

I suspect that relatively few current volunteers will use TBD; it's more for new users with wider demographics. So current projects won't lose computing power, and they should get additional power from TBD. Long term, I think something like TBD is our only hope for going from a few 100K volunteers to millions or tens of millions. And such a rising tide will float all of our ships.

To implement TBD, I'll need to add some features to BOINC, e.g.:
• The client will pass credit estimate information to account managers.
• Account managers can send clients opaque data to be passed in scheduler requests (preference keywords in this case).
• The scheduler will have a "keyword matching" option that takes user and job keywords into account. E.g. it will preferentially send biomed jobs to volunteers who want to support biomed.

These features will have no impact on existing projects.

The BOINC web site will link to TBD as well as BAM! and GridRepublic.

The TBD source code will be released under LGPLv3, and will be stored on Github. We'll welcome code contributions.


That part does not set well with me either so our processing power is going to be pushed towards politics without our control sometimes.


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[/TBD will act as an allocator of computing power. This will be based in part on user preferences, but there will of necessity also be a higher-level allocation policy, decided on by an organization. The decision process should include merit and need; it may include politics and money as well. NSF has an organization - XSEDE - that does this for NSF-funded computing resources. I'm in contact with XSEDE, and hope to include them in TBD. Involving NSF in the process is important; but this project needs to be international. This part of the model needs to be worked out at a high level. QUOTE]


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There is no doubt, we (the crunchers) have a LOT of power, and they want to control that power.

Look at it though, they know that we will not follow into the void, so they are going to construct the model and leave us behind to crunch a dwindling number of independent projects as they get control of the grid of computational resources.

THAT is the purpose of NSF, to direct communal/community scientific resources at what they consider of value, ie what the government considers of value.

The future of DC is the destruction of independent DC.....

And that is sad....


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There is no doubt, we (the crunchers) have a LOT of power, and they want to control that power.

Look at it though, they know that we will not follow into the void, so they are going to construct the model and leave us behind to crunch a dwindling number of independent projects as they get control of the grid of computational resources.

THAT is the purpose of NSF, to direct communal/community scientific resources at what they consider of value, ie what the government considers of value.

The future of DC is the destruction of independent DC.....

And that is sad....

Lol they are going to just push everyone into mining alt coins.


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Lol they are going to just push everyone into mining alt coins.

Or any of the non-boinc projects that are still running.


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One of the reasons I dislike [email protected] is because I never know what I am crunching. This seems like they want to move in that direction, boinc just crunches wu's and you never really know what the science is. And as EG say's it will also remove a layer of trust.

That's pretty much the main reason I stopped running [email protected] for anything other than our monthly events. It's nice and all, but it runs your hardware hard, and even more so the only worthwhile points gain is from GPU's. Sure, CPU's are getting their moment soon thanks to A7X work units, but there's still the lack of control over what you're running.

I like being able to pick and choose what I support, and not have it just be some umbrella project where it could be a wide variety of things.


Also, the new one being used for profit and/or politics makes me say (censored)... Aka I'd use language I can't on this forum without getting an infraction.

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The moment that they disallow you from restricting what projects you run I'm out.

The whole point of BOINC was to provide computing resources for whatever you feel is important, not whatever garbage datamining they want to do.

I'm already leery of company controlled projects such as WCG.

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The moment that they disallow you from restricting what projects you run I'm out.

The whole point of BOINC was to provide computing resources for whatever you feel is important, not whatever garbage datamining they want to do.

Well said. On top of such, for me it's also a case of if it's my hardware (that came out of my pocket, and I'm also paying for if/when it breaks) and I'm the one paying the power bill....

... Going with a "process whatever you're fed" kind of defects the whole point of the second word in BOINC which is "open".

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The moment that they disallow you from restricting what projects you run I'm out.

The whole point of BOINC was to provide computing resources for whatever you feel is important, not whatever garbage datamining they want to do.

I'm already leery of company controlled projects such as WCG.

WCG still does allow you to pick sub-projects and I like that. [email protected] does not seem to work for picking sub-projects though I have not seen any that projects that make me want to stop running [email protected]

If BOINC becomes a project that you can't pick specific sub-projects it will definitely loose my appeal. For example the goofyxgrid / GCC - I run the non CPU intensive app ... otherwise I think it is completely useless to run. I might dedicate CPU cycles to other projects that are slightly less useless.... But if all the useless apps are grouped together and I have no control over which ones get run I wont be running them anymore.

Same with math projects; there are some I would rather run more than others... I like the ability to choose which ones my electricity is being spent on.
If they want to pay me adequate $$ to cover electric and hardware, and then run whatever they want on my machines, then my stance would probably change.



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If they want to pay me adequate $$ to cover electric and hardware, and then run whatever they want on my machines, then my stance would probably change.

That is what Gridcoin is trying to do with their phoney money..... Problem is I don't see any electric utility accepting Gridcoin as payment, today, OR in the future....

The only ones making any money on GC are the ones that got in early grabbed all the GRC they could and are now selling at much inflated values.

GC wants to keep it going by changing the algorithim to allow for more GRC being created than a normal BitCoin project. this enables them to grow their base even larger than any other.

That is the problem with Bit Coin in general it requires one of two things, a very small base holding all the coin driving up the value or a large base with an easily mined surplus of coinsreadily being staked to the people desiring of participating to keep the demand up. this is why they advertise like they do.

Without new peopleGRC will have to revert back to the original BC formula, and with millions of users demanding more they will reap the whirlwind, unless everyone rejects GRC's inflated values. at which point it all collapses.

This is why GRC wants to eliminate the team requirement of GRC to crunch boinc. At that point, Boinc does one thing only, supports and strengthens GRC.

No matter what you run.

I don't see all projects going for the deal no matter what incentives GRC offers, and GRC is expecting to grow to the point where the projects will HAVE to have GRC crunchers to function.

Effectively, when that point is reached, GRC controls Boinc....

GRC is a project aimed at growing their brand of bitcoin and expanding their market reach, they are using Boinc to do it.....

When it gets to the point where I have to take or sign onto GRC to boinc, I guess I'll revert to folding or quit altogether.

And as far as Dr Anderson and Berekely is concerned what GRC is doing is quite fine with them.....

So I have absolutely no respect for them anymore.... And yes I have had discussions with Dr Anderson back in the Seti I days over the state of Seti when Boinc was just a gleam in his eye.

I really do not like where Boinc is going....


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