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post #11 of 45 (permalink) Old 07-16-2017, 12:32 PM
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His title even says Dictator on WUProp forums. devil-smiley-019.gif

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...... Project admins have BOINC functions to stop clients from getting and returning all bogus work. CSG is working on that now to stop gridcoin users from returning crap results. If they wanted to block users w/o sensors they could have but he has decided to administrate other projects through his own.

I completely quit running it for exactly this reason, not saying that he is actually doing this, but he CAN do it.

I won't run something on my machinery where the project admin is not upfront and straight.


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I wouldn't be surprised if that is next. Running 2x tasks on a GPU just to keep it utilized counts double hours. Or checking CPU time instead of run time. Admins at MW and [email protected] have helped doing that as it ends up helping their project in the end.

A project like WUProp in general is good for BOINC. It gets participation out to the smaller projects. Even if it's just 100 hours it gets the word out to teams and Projects actually exist. The forums is a major news source for many including myself. His recent administration of the project completely nullifies all that. No one has broken any rules (besides the ones he has made up on the spot) and all have worked within the features of BOINC.

Project admins have BOINC functions to stop clients from getting and returning all bogus work. CSG is working on that now to stop gridcoin users from returning crap results. If they wanted to block users w/o sensors they could have but he has decided to administrate other projects through his own.

Oh, I agree. It definitely helps bring exposure to newer projects, and can help provide them with the needed word of mouth when getting started.... But taking a totalitarian perspective of things when they aren't even Seb's projects isn't the wisest of ways to stay in a good light with the volunteers that are running his project. Losing six applications because he randomly decided to combine them several months later was rather disheartening, since it took a really, REALLY long time to get up to five stars in the first place. Sure, I'm only one application away, but the feeling of "what's to stop Seb from nuking even more" sits there and won't be going away for some time for me...

...To the point that such a move by someone with no warning, and no real reason other than maybe a personal vendetta against people trying to maximise their hardware.... I'm pretty much at the point where I'm seriously thinking of taking WUProp off of my various computers.

I want to support projects, not have some third party that isn't even involved in those projects decide that it's his ball, his sandbox, or whatever other imagery one wants to use. I've dealt with enough spoilt children over the years and I'd rather put my time towards other uses. If it means I miss out on a new project, I guess I'll hear about it later on through other means, because life's too short to allow someone to decide he doesn't like the way everyone is running their projects if they're being tracked by his.

If Seb had opened it up to discussion first, or had said "hey guys, I don't really approve of this because it feels like you're gaming my stats system, so in two weeks I'll be LIMITING the contribution of some hosts that I perceive as gaming the system".... Reception would have been a lot warmer from contributors, because it would come across as them having a say (whether they actually did or not) AND providing at least a bit of warning that rules were being brought in. Outright banning hosts, or removing hours that took quite some time to get because of some arbitrary goal post that's moving around more than a drunken drone is..... Not a smart move at all in my eyes. But retroactively removing hours.... I suspect Oculus being sold to Facebook created less contention and conflict.

Aka odds are I'll be removing WUProp off my computers
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I agree completely with this.  I got pretty obsessive trying to get 20 more projects over a 100 hours to get that next star.  Resulting in running all sorts of stuff I would not ordinarily run.  Losing 5 projects due to combining stats is a bummer, kind of takes some of the interest out of it. 

Same, I spent a good two months working towards a five star... Only to lose it because six applications were merged into another project, and now I'm wondering whether I'll get to keep that four star badge because of an admin that's decided he doesn't agree with the rules the various project admins put into place themselves...

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I just started this project but don't like the way this is coming off. I think I will start removing it from my machines, I won't miss it much actually.



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I've been holding off on this one for a day or so. BUT....

For a day now I've been seeing an increase in my MW production to the tune of 400K/update.

The only thing I did, was turn off WUprop....

400k an update? is like adding another machine to my herd..... a 20% increase in production.

So much for an NCI app.....

And the machines are much much more stable..... Seems like it was creating a lot of CPU interference....

Just my observation.....

You can tell the day I turned it off by looking at my daily stats output at FDC.....

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Have you seen a drop in MW runtimes as well?

I don't recall seeing much CPU usage from the WUProp exe files, either in the CPU usage registered by BOINC or by Windows/Process Lasso.

It'd be interesting if there would be a reversal if it was turned back on especially if you have identical machines/clocks.


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Have you seen a drop in MW runtimes as well?

I don't recall seeing much CPU usage from the WUProp exe files, either in the CPU usage registered by BOINC or by Windows/Process Lasso.

It'd be interesting if there would be a reversal if it was turned back on especially if you have identical machines/clocks.

Yes, average WU times have dropped from 2:32-2:40 average to the 2:15-2:20 range. (give or take some outliers running from 1:30 to 2:45 the average seems to be settling in around 2:20 but it's still fluctuating a bit)

Gonna let it finish out the day and see if the increase holds like it seems to have, then turn it back on for a couple of days to confirm......

It was a pleasant surprise to say the least...... (that's why I waited for a couple of days to say anything)


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Well, that's a pleasant surprise to say the least. Wonder if it also applies on ARM processors too.

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Those are with hard drives and not SSDs? Wondering if that has a difference.

The admin said recently that WUProp poles to see what is running once a minute. When I check my own tasks, I don't see a difference for the clients that run CPU work vs ones that just run GCC. Although there was a step up yesterday on one client that was running Rosetta. Most have less than ~90s CPU time
http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results.php?hostid=122461


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Those are with hard drives and not SSDs? Wondering if that has a difference.

The admin said recently that WUProp poles to see what is running once a minute. When I check my own tasks, I don't see a difference for the clients that run CPU work vs ones that just run GCC. Although there was a step up yesterday on one client that was running Rosetta. Most have less than ~90s CPU time
http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results.php?hostid=122461

All WD Blacks on the HD's.... no SSD's

I haven't tracked WUprop that closely trusting to everyone saying it was NCI, that is part of the surprise.

And that is a substantial uptick in CPU involvement, has it effected Rosetta WU times?


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