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post #1 of 122 (permalink) Old 02-20-2016, 07:00 AM - Thread Starter
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There have been threads and posts about micro switches, the types they come in, longevity of them, tactile feedback from them and so on.
But I haven't seen much or any info about mechanical mouse wheel encoders. Apart from everyone saying ALPS is the best without giving proper reasoning there's not much about them online.
I'm curious about the construction and of mainly ALPS, Huano and TTC encoders as those are the most readily available in mice without going in on obscure pieces.
If anyone has any info on any mech encoders please share. If not, looks like I'll need to order a few different ones to test.

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I agree, not enough info on encoders. Ideally i'd like to see thread with mice's encoders like we already have with sensors.
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Practically all mice renown for scroll issues (primarily Logitech, Zowie, Microsoft) deploy optical encoders. Optical naturally has advantages over mechanical such as lifetime and latency, but apparently it's not an easy implementation as far as proper actuation goes. The tactility in mechanical encoders comes from the actual actuation, with optical it's not that clear-cut.

As for the feeling or construction differences in mechanical encoders itself... The only mechanical one I can remember to ever have used is a TTC (afaik) in a "Sharkoon Fireglider". Started double-actuating at some point, so that's that. The tactility wasn't any better than in the optical designs I have otherwise used either. Optical of course has the problem that the actuation point is more vague and you can get actuations without any feedback as seen in the MLT04 and Zowie mice. Logitech has a very good optical encoder implementation.

I don't think the debounce latency associated with mechanical encoders is detrimental to anything (like timing jumps for bunnyhopping or whatever), but in terms of life span and for "perfection"'s sake I would always go optical. And again, the TTC mech didn't even feel better than the opticals, the opposite if anything. Somehow I also always associate mechanical encoders with low quality internals... dunno.
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Somehow I also always associate mechanical encoders with low quality internals... dunno.

Who else than Logitech is using optical encoders now?
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Zowie. I think both Razer and SteelSeries have always used mechanical. Not sure about the more exotic brands.
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Who else than Logitech is using optical encoders now?

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Makes me wonder if optical encoders are cheaper than mechanical.
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Who else than Logitech is using optical encoders now?

Microsoft in some mice.
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Makes me wonder if optical encoders are cheaper than mechanical.
I have never used a Bloody/A4TECH mouse (Sharkoon is some kind of off-brand or daughter of that though?) but I don't think you can entirely lump them together with the cheap crap mice out there. They have been around for ages and on the forefront basically of some cool stuff like button latency and polling stability. And they have an optical keyboard on the market. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to be the first brand to develop optical microswitches - something I'm still looking forward to.

Regardless, I think mechanical switches are cheaper. Those are a few pieces of plastic and metal. In optical systems there's the laser/LED and photo diode, plus the implementation seems more costy too (both electrically and mechanically since you have to create tactility by other means such as Logitech's spring system).
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Makes me wonder if optical encoders are cheaper than mechanical.

Bloody mice component wise are OK. They just dont have added marketing headaches added to the price tag.

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