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The 3D printability is neat, hope that means we'll eventually see a "natural" G9X Precision Grip shape that doesn't actually involve having multiple shells and all that extra weight.

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post #2172 of 2411 (permalink) Old 07-05-2019, 02:58 PM
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@bst do the dimensions of the mouse change?
Not sure exactly what you mean, but if you mean the 3D file that mouse I posted was printed from, then no, it can't be changed in scale, not easily anyway, it pretty much has to be redesigned to change its scale, because all the things like screw holes, and wall thickness gets messed up when you scale it.

Its not something that's going to be extensive on day 1, it'll build up over time. So more sizes and shapes can be added later.

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The 3D printability is neat, hope that means we'll eventually see a "natural" G9X Precision Grip shape that doesn't actually involve having multiple shells and all that extra weight.
If you want a shape, the best thing to do is scan it with this program, and send the model to me (PM me a link to it):
If you have trouble scaling it, send me dimensions with it. But scaling it will help get the ball rolling. Meshlab can do it pretty easily, and maybe sketchup, but I haven't tried it with that.

I can't guarantee I'll make every shape, because it takes a while to make them, then test/prototype them and so on. Some shapes also just won't fit the PCBs, or are just so complex that its hard to simplify it to get a good result with the 3D print. But if I have the 3D scan then it makes it a lot easier.

I'm not going to outright copy mice, that's something more for the community, if they want an exact copy, they can get away with it But if someone sends me a shape they like, then I'll do it so its in the same kind of vein. Like the mouse I posted above is kind of like a Kinzu, its not a clone, but if you like the Kinzu you'd probably like it.
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That website idea sounds super exciting. I would love to get involved with that. Currently Im working on a G305 mod, the "G305 Ultralight"

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Does this mean you can make a true ergo shape? That is when the left mouse button sits higher than the right button to create a slope.
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That website idea sounds super exciting. I would love to get involved with that. Currently Im working on a G305 mod, the "G305 Ultralight"
Looks good, it'd be really great to have community designed shells.

The only thing is, they'll probably have to be on a different site, like thingiverse, just because hosting other people's designs can get complicated. I haven't used that site very much, but I guess I can just link to an #astrum tag and it'll work pretty well.

You will also be able to download the STEP files for the 3D printed shapes (the Ninox ones) so you can edit them, like if you wanted to put holes in the shell and so on. So in that case, they'll still be on a site like thingiverse, but tagged #astrum #model. So like that small mouse above, I was going to call it Spectre, I can put a link on its page to go to #astrum #spectre and it'll show all the community modifications for it.

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Does this mean you can make a true ergo shape? That is when the left mouse button sits higher than the right button to create a slope.
Yes, there will be true ergo shapes.
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Afaik thingiverse also has groups. We could create an Astrum group.
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Afaik thingiverse also has groups. We could create an Astrum group.
Ah that's cool, I'll check it out.

Btw, all your "s" letters are coming out as "s" (115 is the ascii code for "s"). https://snag.gy/mSW0kB.jpg
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maybe you @bst can make a CM Storm Spawn Shape Clone ( Xornet / Xornet II were a lil bit different too , but MM520 was huge different )
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Back on topic, will the firmware be open source?
Do you have the final samples yet? It's been three weeks, and I believe the ETA for them was 1-2 weeks.
If you do have them, how are they? Do any tweaks need to be made?
Finally, you said the secret feature would likely be revealed (or completed?) about a month after the update. Now that we're closer to that time, can we get a bit more information about it?
I'm not sure about the firmware. I think some tournament organisers worry about people being able to cheat with it, although, I don't actually know how you could cheat with it. But I don't personally mind it being open source. Its something I haven't really looked into yet. But it can always be changed at any time, even once people have the mouse, I can still publish the code. However I do think that there might not be much point in it, because I can always add requests to the code myself, and it keeps it official.

I don't have the samples yet, its still going to be a few days, because it took a while to get the firmware from my engineer, I have now ordered the programmed MCUs though. After they arrive, it should be ready to go.

The secret thing isn't really a huge secret, its something that people already knew could be done with the mouse. But probably not everyone knew the extent. What it basically is, is free shell designs you can use with the Astrum, not just panels, but full shells designed to fit the Astrum PCBs. Because the Astrum's PCBs are modular, you can fit it into a bunch of different shells. You can move the scroll wheel, front buttons, sensor etc independently to make it fit.

So why did I say, no one has done it before? Because even though you can get some 3D printed community parts on Thingiverse for various mice, none of the companies made them for their mice. They let the community do it. Not that theres anything wrong with that, its just that its nice to offer some shapes to get people started. So there will be a website where you can download these shells, and other panels and so on. It takes a while to make a shell, but I'll keep on adding new ones, and there will be a community section as well, but the quality has to be high to get in, I want people to have a good experience with it.

I'll show an example of one of the shells you can download, this one weighs 63g, but it wasn't really designed to be the lightest. It was designed to be strong and simple, its designed specifically to be 3D printed, so its quite different in a few areas than an injection molded mouse (like there are areas where the plastic is quite thick). But if you wanted you could add holes to it and make it lighter.

I also didn't go crazy with the finishing, I just sanded it for about 30 mins and then painted it. It needed a little bit of adjusting but not too much. The clicks feel nice on it and its solid, I'm surprised how well they come out.

The dimensions of this mouse are: LxWxH 115x62x35.5 so its a pretty small mouse.

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Hmmmm... does this mean detachable cable too? I really wish all mice would have this feature. I really can’t see a reason not to.
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