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post #21 of 57 (permalink) Old 03-05-2019, 06:02 AM - Thread Starter
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I managed to buy the new MX 518 for 40€ [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG].

Will report how it feels.
Small, get an Intellimouse..
Well, the difference is 1mm in lenght.

Also would have to buy it from China, so long shipping time and not that reliable warranty. Plus more expensive.

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Well, the difference is 1mm in lenght.

Also would have to buy it from China, so long shipping time and not that reliable warranty. Plus more expensive.
I meant length wise. You'll probably find your fingers protruding past the main buttons, but not by much. May bother you or not depending on how forward or not you grip.
Yeah the China thing isn't great..

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I have a rat 9, and have had it for 7 years now, best mouse I have ever owned. never owned the mouse above, but it is adjustable, and has a similar design as the RAT series of mice. what I am recommending is a adjustable mouse, that can be adjusted to fit the hand of the operator.

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I have a rat 9, and have had it for 7 years now, best mouse I have ever owned. never owned the mouse above, but it is adjustable, and has a similar design as the RAT series of mice.
rofl 3050 with x2 interpolation and 150g the mouse has also got to work, not only be palmable..

Welcome to the mouse section where people just look at a mouse description an tell you what sensor it has and how it's programmed (don't worry I double checked with a review afterwards)
I don't want to be offensive, and I'm sure your ...mouse serves whatever purpose you have for it, but for people who are interested in how a mouse works both the mice you suggested are not even close to starting to be acceptable.

The rat9 uses the phillips twin eye type of sensor, these do not take pictures of the surface but use an alternate method for tracking position, I highly advise you to read further about doppler shift sensors, starting from the sticky "an overview of mouse technology" on this forum.

These sensors pick up z-axis (lifting, pressing) movement and transfer it to the x and y axis. This is known as z-axis bug and is bad for gaming. It also forces the use of dpi scaling (sensor damping) to minimize this behavior when the mouse is held still.
Even when set to off it's still there in a small amount.
If it was off even clicking on a soft surface would result in the cursor moving.
This "feature" destroys micro movement precision.
It also discourages the use of cloth pads, which are preferred among fps players for their better stopping precision.
PTE mice are considered not to be suitable for gaming and all the new r.a.t.s switched over to an optical sensor (3050/3325/3330/3360/3389 in order lol). Yes even madcatz which has traditionally been using pte on almost everything for ages.

The 3050, while optical, is a 3(4?) generation old entry level sensor (meaning it was bad even when new). It has unorthodox cpi steps (500-1000 instead of 400-800) and loses accuracy over 500cpi. This particular mouse starts from 1000 and doubles the cpi (like the windows slider that skips pixels) over 2000.

Mice over 100g are considered too heavy for optimal fps gameplay, specially at lower sensitivities and a gaming mouse should late you play at those. Heck nowadays even over 90g is starting to be considered heavy.
In the past manufacturers would intentionally make heavy mice to give the illusion of better quality because of common (ignorant) belief, so there was only so much you could expect.
The intellimouse gets a pass just for the unique shape and yeah 103g is not 150
I don't know how much the rat 9 weighs, the closest I found was a review saying that with the weights (lol) it doesn't go over 200g..

Sorry for demolishing your year long relationship, but it's time to go out there and see for yourself what you've been missing out on..

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I have a rat 9, and have had it for 7 years now, best mouse I have ever owned. never owned the mouse above, but it is adjustable, and has a similar design as the RAT series of mice.
you spent 7 years with a really ****ty mouse, you never had anything better, thus it is technically "best mouse you have ever owned"
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rofl 3050 with x2 interpolation and 150g the mouse has also got to work, not only be palmable..

Welcome to the mouse section where people just look at a mouse description an tell you what sensor it has and how it's programmed (don't worry I double checked with a review afterwards)
I don't want to be offensive, and I'm sure your ...mouse serves whatever purpose you have for it, but for people who are interested in how a mouse works both the mice you suggested are not even close to starting to be acceptable.

The rat9 uses the phillips twin eye type of sensor, these do not take pictures of the surface but use an alternate method for tracking position, I highly advise you to read further about doppler shift sensors, starting from the sticky "an overview of mouse technology" on this forum.

These sensors pick up z-axis (lifting, pressing) movement and transfer it to the x and y axis. This is known as z-axis bug and is bad for gaming. It also forces the use of dpi scaling (sensor damping) to minimize this behavior when the mouse is held still.
Even when set to off it's still there in a small amount.
If it was off even clicking on a soft surface would result in the cursor moving.
This "feature" destroys micro movement precision.
It also discourages the use of cloth pads, which are preferred among fps players for their better stopping precision.
PTE mice are considered not to be suitable for gaming and all the new r.a.t.s switched over to an optical sensor (3050/3325/3330/3360/3389 in order lol). Yes even madcatz which has traditionally been using pte on almost everything for ages.

The 3050, while optical, is a 3(4?) generation old entry level sensor (meaning it was bad even when new). It has unorthodox cpi steps (500-1000 instead of 400-800) and loses accuracy over 500cpi. This particular mouse starts from 1000 and doubles the cpi (like the windows slider that skips pixels) over 2000.

Mice over 100g are considered too heavy for optimal fps gameplay, specially at lower sensitivities and a gaming mouse should late you play at those. Heck nowadays even over 90g is starting to be considered heavy.
In the past manufacturers would intentionally make heavy mice to give the illusion of better quality because of common (ignorant) belief, so there was only so much you could expect.
The intellimouse gets a pass just for the unique shape and yeah 103g is not 150
I don't know how much the rat 9 weighs, the closest I found was a review saying that with the weights (lol) it doesn't go over 200g..

Sorry for demolishing your year long relationship, but it's time to go out there and see for yourself what you've been missing out on..

lol, well I don't care about any of this stuff you think is so important. I care that the rat9 has lasted for 7 years, this is 4 years longer than any other mouse I have ever owned. the other thing I care about is that the mouse functions and the rat9 functions just fine. so while I am sure you have a 1000 reasons why you think it dose not function, well I don't care about any of them. have a wonderful day sir.

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lol, yeah things went even further downhill when saitek purchased madcatz.

they did make a great MMO mouse, for the time.

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you spent 7 years with a really ****ty mouse, you never had anything better, thus it is technically "best mouse you have ever owned"

this is funny because the rat9 when it was first made was one of the top 5 mice in the world. plus it held that stat for years, so if you really want to have this argument I will have no issue posting the hundreds of reviews that will back up this fact. so before you reply, ask yourself if you really want to have this argument.

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for me No R.A.T. Madcatz mouse ever was in my Top25 ... R.A.T. 3 was the "best" of them in my opinion ...
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but for people who like that kind of adjustable shape ...
maybe a cougar 700M EVO ( pmw 3389 )
http://cougargaming.com/products/mice/700m-evo/
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Hi,
Best mouse I've run across frankly redragon perdition only the M901 comes up now
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