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post #1 of 53 (permalink) Old 10-04-2019, 01:11 PM - Thread Starter
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Unpopular opinion: Ultra lightweight mice and split button designs are overrated

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Everything up to 85~g is perfectly fine and going to low hurts my ability to aim precisely. Personally I wish my O- was 8~10g heavier.

There are no massive benefits to have the buttons seperated from the shell but a lot of negatives like extreme wobble or flex (looking at you, MM710). Sure, seperated buttons can be very good and have very light clicks (looking at you, Logitech) but non-seperated buttons can be extremely good too if the shell isn't too thick. My now sold DM3 went from stiff to very light and crisp clicks after sanding down the shell (google zowie clicks mod).
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Everything up to 85~g is perfectly fine and going to low hurts my ability to aim precisely. Personally I wish my O- was 8~10g heavier.

There are no massive benefits to have the buttons seperated from the shell but a lot of negatives like extreme wobble or flex (looking at you, MM710). Sure, seperated buttons can be very good and have very light clicks (looking at you, Logitech) but non-seperated buttons can be extremely good too if the shell isn't too thick. My now sold DM3 went from stiff to very light and crisp clicks after sanding down the shell (google zowie clicks mod).
Seen more instances than not where the split-button design on mice didn't cause any amount of button wobbling that bothered me. Never used the MM710, though. I've yet to find a mouse which buttons felt better without a split-button design than ones I've used that do, but some people prefer harder-to-push buttons.

Personally, I'm glad the whole lightweight mice thing is the new thing. Tons of great mice on the market, now. ;D

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Even 100+g mouses are fine. Mx518 and Intellimouse are awesome despite being 101 and 105 grams respectively. Also Mx518 has non-seperated buttons and they are still one of the best buttons on the market.
Lightweight mouses are overrated indeed.

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Everything up to 85~g is perfectly fine and going to low hurts my ability to aim precisely. Personally I wish my O- was 8~10g heavier.

There are no massive benefits to have the buttons seperated from the shell but a lot of negatives like extreme wobble or flex (looking at you, MM710). Sure, seperated buttons can be very good and have very light clicks (looking at you, Logitech) but non-seperated buttons can be extremely good too if the shell isn't too thick. My now sold DM3 went from stiff to very light and crisp clicks after sanding down the shell (google zowie clicks mod).
Opinions like this remind of those who railed against horseless carriages at the turn of the century. I can make it just fine from point A to point B with my horse, why would I ever want to drive a car? And yes, this is hyperbolic, but citing some random cutoff point at 85g is just ridiculously stupid. Weight reduction is objectively a benefit because the laws of physics unrelentingly exist, and we don’t know when those returns actually diminish. Anyone saying differently is exercising their subjective opinion, which adds absolutely nothing of significance to the discussion.
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Ultralight I can agree with, but split buttons is nice - even aesthetically.

As for weight, I'm totally fine with 80 to 92g
I just don't like visible holes in a mouse, but there is a reason for very low weight mice and they do benefit certain aim styles/sensitivities for sure
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i'm waiting for someone to make a mouse with a much more forward mounted sensor to test this theory going around in the mouse community that the more forward the sensor, the more likely your accuracy will be accurate. I've seen a few where the sensor is slightly more forward, but still not as far forward as my vertical office mouse.

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My old Kone Pure was 91g (with wire) and it was awesome. I dont think they make them anymore. One of the best wheels ever on a mouse as well and the software was awesome. They probably messed that up as well.
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Opinions like this remind of those who railed against horseless carriages at the turn of the century. I can make it just fine from point A to point B with my horse, why would I ever want to drive a car? And yes, this is hyperbolic, but citing some random cutoff point at 85g is just ridiculously stupid. Weight reduction is objectively a benefit because the laws of physics unrelentingly exist, and we don’t know when those returns actually diminish. Anyone saying differently is exercising their subjective opinion, which adds absolutely nothing of significance to the discussion.
This. There's really no way around physics. I've gotten used to the weight on my Odin, and now I'm thinking "well, I could use a lighter mouse."

People get used to a lot of things, and the weight of a mouse is one of them - but that in no way invalidates the fact that inertia isn't ideal.

I've come to terms with the notion that it'll be a while before we see mice the size of mine with a significant reduction in mass, so there's nothing I could buy right now that would have an impact on my accuracy. However, I'm sure I'd very much notice anything 85g and above.

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Opinions like this remind of those who railed against horseless carriages at the turn of the century. I can make it just fine from point A to point B with my horse, why would I ever want to drive a car? And yes, this is hyperbolic, but citing some random cutoff point at 85g is just ridiculously stupid. Weight reduction is objectively a benefit because the laws of physics unrelentingly exist, and we don’t know when those returns actually diminish. Anyone saying differently is exercising their subjective opinion, which adds absolutely nothing of significance to the discussion.
I'm not "citing some random cutoff point at 85g". I'm talking about personal experience. Lowering the weight doesn't make things more precise/accurate.
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i can agree with split buttons being overrated but i'm really liking the O-, so i like the lightweight thing for now. i prefer unsplit buttons because accidental clicks have so far only happened with split button mice that i own.
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