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Quote: Originally Posted by Zammin View Post
Very interesting. Am I correct in assuming the 107g version is the one with the AA battery? Or is it the 83g version that uses the AA? I wonder how much the weight could be reduced with a AAA lithium and a converter, which is a common mod for the G305/G304 which also uses a AA.

Great to know they both have high end sensors.
I'm going to be guessing 83g "essential version" + battery weight, and 107g might be the one with rechargeable battery...but we'll see!
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Yes. One rechargeable, one with AA battery (non rechargeable). Both flawless (but different) sensors.
gotta love modern marketing
if both sensors are flawless, then why even bother spending funds developing the other?
what are the differences that warranted making 2 flawless sensors instead of just using one in all your products?

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gotta love modern marketing
if both sensors are flawless, then why even bother spending funds developing the other?
what are the differences that warranted making 2 flawless sensors instead of just using one in all your products?
#1. I'm far removed from marketing. My job is R&D.

#2. Sensor features, power consumption, higher (but largely inconsequential) performance numbers.

Personally, I consider anything of the level of 3330 or above to be flawless for any practical purposes.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Fanu View Post
gotta love modern marketing
if both sensors are flawless, then why even bother spending funds developing the other?
what are the differences that warranted making 2 flawless sensors instead of just using one in all your products?
I assume that AA battery one will be little bit cheaper since buying batteries will be on you and it wont have charging interface built in. And the one with built in battery will have all the bling like usb charging, dock compatibility etc etc. which also will make the mice more expensive.

I dont see anything bad there, it just let's them capture wider market.

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Quote: Originally Posted by munchzilla View Post
I'm going to be guessing 83g "essential version" + battery weight, and 107g might be the one with rechargeable battery...but we'll see!
Ah yeah that would make the most sense, good point. So with a AAA lithium we'd probably be looking around the 92g mark. Still pretty good for a large wireless mouse if that's the case.

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gotta love modern marketing
if both sensors are flawless, then why even bother spending funds developing the other?
what are the differences that warranted making 2 flawless sensors instead of just using one in all your products?
This is just my assumption, I don't want to speak on their behalf but I'm guessing by "flawless" he may be referring to the "flawless mouse sensor list". Meaning a sensor that does not malfunction/spin out or have tracking issues etc. Every variant of the 3360 and 3389 falls under this category as far as I know.

If I had to guess I would say the cheaper one (PAW3369) may not have the same improvements and extra features found in the "Focus+" (PAW3399) such as the Motion Sync, advanced liftoff/landing distance adjustment, auto LOD mode etc.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Razer_TheFiend View Post
#1. I'm far removed from marketing. My job is R&D.

#2. Sensor features, power consumption, higher (but largely inconsequential) performance numbers.

Personally, I consider anything of the level of 3330 or above to be flawless for any practical purposes.
I tried a 3330-based sensor once but kind of been dismissing it because it had like 3mm LOD, which is far too high for my usage, do you know if all 3330 have high LOD like this, or if it was just a one-off thing?
couldn't find anywhere to change it in the driver software on this mouse :-(
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Quote: Originally Posted by Razer_TheFiend View Post
#1. I'm far removed from marketing. My job is R&D.

#2. Sensor features, power consumption, higher (but largely inconsequential) performance numbers.

Personally, I consider anything of the level of 3330 or above to be flawless for any practical purposes.
oh so they fill 2 different roles and one sensor cant universally be used across your product range without making sacrifices in certain aspects (battery life?)
I guess that makes sense
and +1 for having a tech guy post on forums (is it in your job description, being in touch with community, or are you doing it on your own?) instead of a community manager or anyone from marketing that does not know technical ins and outs of products they are advertising and just parrot useless marketing paroles

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oh so they fill 2 different roles and one sensor cant universally be used across your product range without making sacrifices in certain aspects (battery life?)
I guess that makes sense
and +1 for having a tech guy post on forums (is it in your job description, being in touch with community, or are you doing it on your own?) instead of a community manager or anyone from marketing that does not know technical ins and outs of products they are advertising and just parrot useless marketing paroles
It's not in my job description... I didn't post on the internet for the first 4 years of my job, but eventually got a bit frustrated with marketing/social teams giving out flat out wrong information in comments everywhere, so I decided to get on forums myself.

To be fair to them, it's not their job to be technically deft about all technical matters, and we don't have anyone filling that gap, so here I am.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zammin View Post
If I had to guess I would say the cheaper one (PAW3369) may not have the same improvements and extra features found in the "Focus+" (PAW3399) such as the Motion Sync, advanced liftoff/landing distance adjustment, auto LOD mode etc.
That's spot on. It also has lower speed/acceleration and resolution accuracy specs but still in-line with previous-gen flagships.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Razer_TheFiend View Post
3399 is not a derivative sensor. It's a whole new sensor that we started working with Pixart in 2016, right after we finished work on the 3389. It uses a few of Razer patented technologies and will remain exclusive to Razer for some time to come.
Thanks for the clarification. Can you confirm that it's entirely different from the 3335 (package/silicone level) or is it comparable to the 3360/3389 situation?

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I tried a 3330-based sensor once but kind of been dismissing it because it had like 3mm LOD, which is far too high for my usage, do you know if all 3330 have high LOD like this, or if it was just a one-off thing?
couldn't find anywhere to change it in the driver software on this mouse :-(
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