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post #11 of 760 (permalink) Old 12-28-2019, 06:54 AM
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>1250 SC in 2019

https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks just use this, at least its ordered from best to worst, instead of going through how many pages of cherry picked samples

If youre trying to argue there is no step up from 2500k/4770k to 3600x/3700x/3900x/9700k or 9990K / KS, then .. what?, I think gamers nexus reviews says more about that, than i ever would or could, with the amount of data they provided.

While your findings may, or may not have been true at the time you had said hardware, back then, things do change over time..

Again though, whats the question or answer in the topic?, all i saw was mainly talking about motherboards, not CPU's?

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I'd probably assume that since Asrock and MSI sucked through multiple generations of boards that they still do now and that Asus is probably still the best, with Gigabyte being a wildcard that might be the 2nd best choice.

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Shrug, ASRock generally has the lowest DPC latency, thats a plus aint it?
Right now for AMD asus is .. oh god i hate this board and ASUS so much, slow BIOS updates, ****ty fan controller (hello fans stuck on full RPM until you reboot.)
Or forcing full fan RPM at 75c is nice too.
No HPET, OR spread spectrum toggles either on my asus board
Duplicate BIOS entries in different menu's for the same settings because why not right?

While yes, i most certainly might have gotten one of the "meh" AMD asus boards, it is a high end one, at that. and the support on it is awful.

My old ASRock Z68 Extreme 4 though?, ran fine for 10 years, no issues, had hpet and spread spectrum toggles, no duplicate entries, booted in less than 15 seconds, proper fan controls, no stuck fan speeds..

bottom point is, how many boards of each vendor did you try?, and even then, the landscape might look very different now - no one is going out to buy a new used PC with 2010-2014 tier hardware now really either

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Quote: Originally Posted by r0ach View Post
The original post mentions from 2500k to 4770k.

4770k: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=4770k

AMD 3600:https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu...%93&q=amd+3600

Going from an 1150 single core score in 2013 to a whopping 1250 single core score in 2019. WOOPTY DOO. The multi-core score doesn't even matter 99% of the time unless you run winrar all day or a render farm. Although DX12 seems to benefit from 6 cores, but not sure why anyone would install Win10 malware. And I can't even recall a good DX12 game offhand in the first place.

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@r0ach : there's something interesting going on with the new stuff for me. On my 3570k with Gigabyte Z77X-D3H, certain hardware used a lot more CPU resources than on my 2700X and ASRock X470 Taichi.

One example is, I have a DAC that has a strange behavior where it generates around 2000 interrupts per second over USB. On the 3570k, this created a constant 50% usage on one core. On the 2700X system I can't really see anything happening for some reason. Without the DAC connected to USB it's idling at 1% CPU usage, and after connecting it to USB it's still 1%. On Linux I tried estimating things a bit more exact, and it's perhaps 0.3% extra overall usage, perhaps 2.5% usage for one core.

The other example is the mouse: I remember a serious amount of usage on the Ivy Bridge system when moving the mouse around continually. On the 2700X right now in Linux, I literally can't see anything in the process viewer. I'm staring at the CPU usage number, and both with and without movement, it stays around 0.5% to 0.8% CPU usage.

This shouldn't be the case in theory? The raw performance of the cores of the Ivy Bridge and 2700X are about the same. I don't know what's going on.
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Between this and the "phone on top of my case increases mouse sensitivity" guy, I don't know what's sillier.

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Quote: Originally Posted by deepor View Post
On the 2700X right now in Linux, I literally can't see anything in the process viewer. I'm staring at the CPU usage number, and both with and without movement, it stays around 0.5% to 0.8% CPU usage.
Linux defaults most things to MSI mode. Does the new system default the USB controller to MSI mode in Windows too? That would probably explain it.

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This guy is back to tell everyone he can feel a difference between idling 60μs and 30μs by disabling 80 bios options.

Seriously, stop wasting your time following this guys advice. Nobody is going to feel a difference between a few μs (microsecond) of improvement. You should only be worried about DPC latency if you have large spikes, your DPC is abnormally high, or you're having microstutter/audio dropouts. Stop chasing super low μs readouts in LatencyMon.

1ms = 1000μs
1μs =0.001ms

So lets say you score a large 200μs improvement, that's 0.2ms improvement. You really think you can feel that?

Here is the ultimate low latency guide 2020:

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Disable G-Sync, enable low latency mode in driver
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I didn't even use the word input lag. There's plenty of computer settings that completely change your mouse movement while not having a real perceptible input lag effect from HPET, to message signal interrupt mode (MSI) on/off, to going into your device manager, click show hidden devices, then uninstalling everything in the printer section like "root print queue". Cursor speeds way the hell up after. Does it make any sense? No. But that's what happens.

I don't really recommend going into the device manager and wiping out all the greyed out devices like the printer section like this because a lot of them make the mouse feel abnormal afterwards or like you just added 200 DPI to your mouse for no reason. There's no explanation for any of it besides Windows is coded in terrible manner. It's the same thing with these BIOS implementations from various companies whether it's motherboards, 3rd party GPU makers, or the $9 an hour, outsourced to India, Boeing 737 designed to kamikaze straight into the ground and kill you. Just about all code is garbage
wait what? forcefully remove all my print queue stuff & my input latency will drop?

sorry, but the 737 wasn't designed to kill you, its pilots just weren't trained in how to use the "feature" that killed everyone. it's a thin line of difference, new software + no training to manage it = boom.

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