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post #531 of 675 (permalink) Old 02-14-2020, 10:36 AM
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ahh yes, the icing on the cake, it is this all @ 1080p60hz. talk about boomers and plebs -.-

refusing to go up from 1080p60 is literally the most boomer thing you could do on PC, aside from paying bills via a free email account.

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ahh yes, the icing on the cake, it is this all @ 1080p60hz. talk about boomers and plebs -.-

refusing to go up from 1080p60 is literally the most boomer thing you could do on PC, aside from paying bills via a free email account.
Wait what? I haven't followed this thread that closely, are you telling me roach is still using 1080p60hz and is talking about mouse latency/smoothness? ***!
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Wait what? I haven't followed this thread that closely, are you telling me roach is still using 1080p60hz and is talking about mouse latency/smoothness? ***!
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ahh yes, the icing on the cake, it is this all @ 1080p60hz.
I'm typing on an Asus VG27AQ 1440p 165hz IPS panel as we speak, and I've had NUMEROUS 120-144hz panels before and returned them all, and will probably return this Asus too. Brief overview of this panel:

1) It looks like garbage compared to the 27" 1440p 60hz Korean IPS panel I used to have that actually had a real IPS panel in it.

2) It looks like garbage compared to the 27" 1080p Samsung PLS panel I have and I think the Samsung is even a 6 bit PLS with dithering

3) Even at a setting of 0 brightness, it's still too bright and is probably pushing 125-130nits. I use most 27" panels around 110-120 max.

4) The panel coating is matte but is also shiny at the same time that causes all light sources coming from it to have a halo effect that just amplifies IPS glow. The backlight bleed is also worse than my Samsung PLS panel in general.

5) Both the gamma and colors are way off even after manually adjusting to a 6500k white point.

6) I can calibrate any monitor to 6500k using just my eye and no matter what I do with this one I can't get the whites to be as clean as most other panels I've had. They have kinda a dirty off-white tinge to them, likely related to the issue below.

7) Color temperature is probably 7000k on the right side of the screen and 6000k on the left side. It has a very non-uniform temperature in other words.

8) There's not really much difference in how I play at 60hz vs 144hz, so sacrificing image quality for higher hz is pointless

9) Having overdrive turned on makes mouse movement worse, so if you actually wanted to compete in video games you would just use a CRT instead of a ghetto overdrive LCD. Hell, I don't think I've even SEEN a panel where overdrive on didn't look more unnatrual than having it off.

10) Going from 60hz to 71-75hz (which you can do with just about any panel) already covers most of the benefits of using a higher hz panel anyway in terms of motion fluidity

11) Even though I bought a brand new Asus GPU and Asus monitor, the displayport on the monitor doesn't even work and I'm forced to use HDMI, w.t.f?

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Also, update on new build:

Get more responsive mouse movement using 1333 mhz and lower timings than 1600 mhz. If you have Samsung 'miracle' ram and can do 7-8-7-24 at 1600mhz then you probably don't need to though. This is one reason I haven't bothered screwing with any DDR4 boards. Scared doubling the CAS latency will feel terrible.

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For DDR4 go with 3200Mhz 14-14-14 or better ratio. It's about equivalent to 1600Mhz 7-7-7 in terms of latency. You may want to research what the expected command rate and tRFC timings are. These tend to be set higher than necessary in the X.M.P. profiles.

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IPS always had more color accuracy and was better in terms of picture quality over tn.

But 60hz ? :O That makes the biggest difference ever to me. 60hz is straight up aids for me in terms of mouse feel. Now that i use the LG 27GL850 nano ips monitor it offers the best of both worlds, i can't ever go back.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Athrutep View Post
IPS always had more color accuracy and was better in terms of picture quality over tn. But 60hz ? :O That makes the biggest difference ever to me. 60hz is straight up aids for me in terms of mouse feel. Now that i use the LG 27GL850 nano ips monitor it offers the best of both worlds, i can't ever go back.
I have better cursor movement and aim on the 60hz Samsung PLS (can overclock to 71hz if you want to) than the 165hz Asus VG27AQ. Also had better aim on the 27" 1440p Korean IPS panel. What good is less blur if your aim is worse? That guy named "The1freeman" posted in another thread saying there was a 'bug' and hooking a Gsync or Freesync monitor to an Nvidia card gave you a lot higher latency than hooking the same monitor to an AMD GPU. I don't think it's a bug, it's just Nvidia's stupidly high feature creep render pipeline and when it auto-detects you have those features on your monitor it just tosses on more bloat to the stack.

It's definitely not easier to aim with Gsync/Freesync on, so any of those dumb features being on the monitor and integrating into the Nvidia drivers are never gonna be anything but bad for me. Turning on overdrive also makes the cursor more stiff and harder to flick, so any of these "gamer" features from Gsync to massive overdrive are a total hoax to me. If I was looking to test out another instant return "gamer" monitor, I'd probably be looking for one with 120-144hz that doesn't have Gsync or Freesync at all, but it seems like they all do now.

I would try out that LG panel but after seeing the massive amount of people complain about poor contrast and light bleed on it, not sure I want to deal with that. Anyway, my aim is just about perfect on this new Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe ITX setup and Samsung PLS. I was also relieved to find the ASUS 1660 Super Strix I bought has decent mouse movement compared to reference cards. It has a dual BIOS switch and the quiet mode BIOS cursor movement is worse and slightly less responsive than the performance mode BIOS, so it shows you just how easily you can get cucked by hardware if you get unlucky with your BIOS vendor. Luckily I had two BIOS to choose from and one was okay.

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I was also relieved to find the ASUS 1660 Super Strix I bought has decent mouse movement compared to reference cards.
YES I have that model as well, connected to my 6 month old LG 32GK850G.

Been a perfect partnership so far. Have to update the Nvidia drivers ever so often because they always release updates every month or so.
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