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post #11 of 67 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 09:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by BroadPwns View Post
I have a Rival 600, had Rival 310 and Rival Black and I genuinly have no idea what do you mean.
I've been using Steelseries mice since Sensei era. I have ikari laser, kinzu v2, kana v1, Sensei, Rival(vanilla), Rival 100. I also bought a Sensei 310 and Rival 310 but returned them.
Let alone the sensors and shapes and weight, the click latency in their lastest mice are noticeably higher than Logitech or a few other minor brands(finalmouse, glorious etc). 6ms more click latency might not really hinder your play. But it is there, and can be improved. It seems they don't want to change anything, they just think they are too good to improve.

Manage to run your games at 300+fps before you talk about mouse precision.
If you are still struggling to reach 100fps or if you are using some IPS/VA monitor, don' buy mice anymore. Save money and upgrade your whole rig.
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post #12 of 67 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 09:32 AM
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Oh god, so it's this kind of voodoo.

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Oh god, so it's this kind of voodoo.
I'd recommend you to bow to Steelseries if everything opposed to them is considered a kind of voodoo.
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shame about the way back sensor though
Yea another one that i can cross out
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Quote: Originally Posted by GadYuka View Post
nice size, shape and weight but sensor position is too off center
JESUS CHRIST HOW DO THESE COMPANIES DO THE SAME STUPID CRAP OVER AND OVER. At least it's not as wide as the Sensei 310 rear end, which was completely unusable for normal, human hands:

Kana v2: 64mm (probably my optimal width and shape)
Rival 3: 67mm
Sensei: 68mm
Sensei 310: 70.4mm

And then there is the question of sensor. This mouse shape is definitely better than the Sensei 310, but the Sensei 310's 3360 implementation was probably about the best there is, so they should have put that in this with a centered sensor and Steelseries would finally have a good mouse. Who the hell knows how this sensor will be, but I'm guessing not as good as TrueMove 3 (3360). Sensei Ten's sensor is NOT as good as the Sensei 310's either.

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Did they give up on rubber on the sides because all they used was nose goo to glue them to the mouse and couldn't be bothered to use an actual glue?
I think that was the early runs. On the copy of the Sensei 310 I have, the glue is mega strong I feel like I'll be stripping the color off if I kept pulling at it. I eventually settled for a pry tool.

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Rival 310 that I received at January 2018 got the left side rubber unglued completely a year later. Rival 600 that I bought in november 2019 already starts to have its rubber unglued on its corner right where my thumb begins. People keep complaining about ungluing rubber sides. So no, it's not the early runs.

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Rubber coming unglued is an overblown issue and the last thing that bothers me about Sensei 310 or Rival because you can always glue it back with super glue in literally 3 seconds. The actual show stopper on Sensei 310 is the rear end is too wide and the rubber itself is too slippery to even hold. As opposed to the Logitech G-Pro wired which has no rear end at all and needs more of a rear end....

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Quote: Originally Posted by r0ach View Post
JESUS CHRIST HOW DO THESE COMPANIES DO THE SAME STUPID CRAP OVER AND OVER. At least it's not as wide as the Sensei 310 rear end, which was completely unusable for normal, human hands:

Kana v2: 64mm (probably my optimal width and shape)
Rival 3: 67mm
Sensei: 68mm
Sensei 310: 70.4mm

And then there is the question of sensor. This mouse shape is definitely better than the Sensei 310, but the Sensei 310's 3360 implementation was probably about the best there is, so they should have put that in this with a centered sensor and Steelseries would finally have a good mouse. Who the hell knows how this sensor will be, but I'm guessing not as good as TrueMove 3 (3360). Sensei Ten's sensor is NOT as good as the Sensei 310's either.
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Sensor itself is good enough, but it depends on the implementation
Edit: same as in the Roccat Kain 100

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