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EndGame Gear XM1 (white) long Review.

original reddit review and video files
https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview...e_long_review/

i would like to thanks EndGame Gear ,Jonas ,pgDave and Fr3ak for providing this EGG xm1 free of charge and caseking.de for sending it.
but this review is my own. and it will not change any of my opinions.
by the way sorry for my bad English i m french.

https://www.endgamegear.com/xm1/gaming-mice?attribute[color]=white
https://www.caseking.de/endgame-gear...-gamo-860.html
Hand size,18.5x10 palm,relaxed claw and fingertip. doesn't like agressive grips.
note: EndGame Gear added a free bungee and free feet in the package.
thanks you for that.

tldr:

the xm1 is not really an every day mouse
not for browsing,moba,not for spamming.
it is too a quite wide mouse so not for small hands,more medium to large hand.(18+cm)
this out of the way...
this mouse is a beast!
especially in competitive games.
very good shape for claw.
the analog debounce tech work very well and the mouse is as fast as razer optical switches.
but take care to be in the firmware 2.0 to avoid any issues.
so does the xm1 deserve the endgame name?
yes absolutely.
it is not my main ,but it would replace my viper ultimate if it was wireless.
it definitively replaced my model o as backup mouse.

keep an eye on this company,i think their next mouses will be interesting.

mouse specs:

sold around €59.90 / $59,99
size: 122.14 x 65.81 x 38.26 mm
weight: 70g
omrons 50m switches
analog debouncing technology
pixart 3389 sensor ,16k dpi ,450 ips, 50 g acceleration limit
250/500/1000hz selectable on the mouse.
4 dpi steps (by 50dpi)
new paracord style cable 1.80m
rounded ptfe feet
software and software less operation.

unboxing :









the package just like the mouse is bare bone,simple but effective.
just a card as paperwork but the mouse is well packed inside a foam shell and a bag.
the cable is folded with a rubber tie.
they added some free feet but i dont think it is part of the retail package.

the mouse







shape and shell


note: ok here a bit of history.
Endgame gear was created by some old designers from steelseries.
so this is maybe their first mouse as EGG but it is not their first rodeo.
this is why i have **** talked quite a lot about this mouse.
especially on the issues of the first version.
cable,side buttons ,cord,firmware issues ,doubleclick...
but this mouse is a v2 now.
and i'm glad to see that most issues was fixed and a lot of work was done under the hood.
because it is some designer of steelseries i will compare it to steelseries latest mouses too.
and some other mice i own.

the mouse looks bare bone,simple but effective again,a good sleeper if it had no logo.
the mouse shape is interesting,quite wide,low on the front with a hump on the back.
no confort groves on the buttons and extremely long buttons
it make the mouse ideal for claw.
especially for medium to large hands. (18cm+)
the shape make me think of older ss mice like the sensei or kana or kinzu when ss was at their best.

the coating of the white mouse make me think of the roccat kpu or the hati white .
it is a matte white but it can catch some oil and shine black.
so definitively take the white color instead of the black one.
they improved the v2 coating so the black will not catch oil as fast as the v1
it was horrible for that so i'm glad they mostly fixed this.
because it is a large lightweight mouse. (only 71g on my scale)
the mouse tend to sound hollow and noisy due to the reverberation.
a lot of large lightweight mouse without holes tend to have this issue
(wicked bunny,kpu,rival3,viper or da v2)



mouse wheel and clicks and side buttons.

my wheel sadly has some small issues in my unit.
it is an alps encoder like the kpu or mm710
but it is extremely noisy
outside this issue the wheel is extremely stiff,defined and tactile.
it basically feels like a 24 steps zowie wheel.
i'm pretty sure a lot will like this.
the mouse seems very zowie inspired in general.
my big issue with the wheel is the click.
it use a ttc tact white head switch and for me it is too stiff ,low travel and hard to click sadly.
i tend to prefer regular switches like in the model o or kpu.
instead of the usual abs ,the xm1 use a polycarbonate wheel for durability.
the ring on the wheel is soft with a low texture,it kinda feel like a ring mod or what steelseries does.


the main click was extremely stiff too at first but they became lighter and softer after a few days.
they feels very zowie inspired again.
they are still a bit stiffer than average to avoid miss click,making them extremely effective in fps.
it is not as stiff as the v1,but a bit too stiff for moba or minecraft spam.
they are very long but the mouse tend to keep the same pressure everywhere you click.
so this is good,the travel is good ,there is a bit of post travel and wobble.
left and right click sound very different but it seems to be usual in this mouse.
sadly the mouse use 50m omrons and to me this is a bad point,the v1 had doubleclick issue
they fixed a lot of those by software with their special debounce tech, but i would prefer they move to zippy 60m switches like steelseries did,or huano like in zowie mices.
make sure to use the 2.0 firmware to avoid any issues and keep your mouse updated.


the side buttons feels very good,the v1 had to much travel
but they fixed this issue,and the travel is good.
the shape feel great,they make me think of the rival 3 ones but a lot bigger.
they use ttc switches like what we find in razer mouses (deathadder and viper)
so very good here.


original reddit review and video files
https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview...e_long_review/



mouse glide and feet


the mouse feet make me think too of what steelseries does.
with rounded shapes but they are a lot better here.
the v1 was quite thin and had unrounded cuts.
the v2 feet are a lot thicker and fully rounded .
fully ptfe ,very good job here.
the glide is fast and smooth.
just like ss mice ,the bottom is pretty much flat so zowie mouse feet mod are extremely easy to do,
no need to sand,just fill the gaps with electric tape to place zowie style feet.


the package of the spare feet is good,i remember seeing some glue residue online in the package but my spare feet leave no residue so this is good.




mouse cable

the mouse cable here is just top of the line.
as good as the mm710 or the g-wolves cable,on par with paracord.
it has a rubber tie and a huge ferrite core near the usb plug.
this is a huge improvement over the v1 rubber cable.
i think EGG is European like like xtrfy so this gives me big hope to see one day
this kind of cable in roccat ,logitech or steelseries mice.

mouse sensor and click latency


the xm1 here use a pixart 3389 sensor .
16k dpi ,450 ips, 50 g,this is one of the top of the line sensor .
and unlike what ss does,the implementation is very good here.
the sensor is centered and extremely effective.
it is even better than usual because EGG disabled the usual smoothing we see on this sensor beyond 1800dpi.
but high dpi can be jittery.

there is no issue in the polling rate
but it is a bit unstable on my setup.



the debounce times on this mouse are exceptional for mechanical switches.
the mouse use 50m regular omron yes (that can be changed by the way)
but the mouse use a special analog tech that clean the switch signal.
that make them almost as fast as optical switches.
sadly the buttons was a bit stiff so the mouse tend to trigger a bit behind the deathadder v2 i used in the debounce test. but the xm1 is able to hold up.



software and software less operation.






the software is as simple and bare bone as the mouse
but still very effective
4 dpi settings,simple remaps,lod settings and updates
i like it has a ripple toggle control for enabling or disabling high dpi smoothing.
and it has a direct helpline in case of need.
this is just great.
this program is just for setting your mouse and uninstall.
it is pretty much not needed because you can change the dpi and polling rate directly on the mouse itself.
thx to the button and leds under the mouse.
(just like zowie mice)

ill nitpicking but it would be nice to replace the 250hz setting with 125hz for compatibility with console or android devices (xbox,ps4,switch,google stadia or g-force now compatibility mode)
because the mouse is not compatible yet,i think this is a missed opportunity but it should be easy to add in an update.

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Thanks for the review! Im getting my hands on one very shortly.



I wonder whether using Japanese Omrons (D2F-01F) might reduce input latency even further? As far as I am aware, those use superior /possibly faster mechanisms to detect a press. In bearded b0bs youtube analysis the Zaunkönig MK1 beats every other mouse in regards to click latency (using the D2F 01F), including the XM1, I cant help but wonder if changing the switches here might do the trick.
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Quote: Originally Posted by PMB View Post
Thanks for the review! Im getting my hands on one very shortly.



I wonder whether using Japanese Omrons (D2F-01F) might reduce input latency even further? As far as I am aware, those use superior /possibly faster mechanisms to detect a press. In bearded b0bs youtube analysis the Zaunkönig MK1 beats every other mouse in regards to click latency (using the D2F 01F), including the XM1, I cant help but wonder if changing the switches here might do the trick.
His testing is flawed, you can't really infer anything from it.

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Alright, thats new info for me. how so?
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Quote: Originally Posted by PMB View Post
Alright, thats new info for me. how so?
Human Benchmark is explicitly not a test of click latency, but rather of button-to-click-event delay including a large and variable human element, consisting of both human reaction time and external factors such as overall system responsiveness and display lag, which limit the former. Using a high-speed camera to record button-to-display delay, on the other hand, has high variance and margin of error. The Bloody PK test is the least flawed method, but results are still subject to variance in terms of click stiffness and which part of the button is actuated (can provide some merit though). PK also records button-down events, which is the part that matters. Having said that, there is no way for the Air58 be 25 ms ahead of the GPW, so those numbers are very obviously not accurate.

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Quote: Originally Posted by cdcd View Post
Human Benchmark is explicitly not a test of click latency, but rather of button-to-click-event delay including a large and variable human element, consisting of both human reaction time and external factors such as overall system responsiveness and display lag, which limit the former. Using a high-speed camera to record button-to-display delay, on the other hand, has high variance and margin of error. The Bloody PK test is the least flawed method, but results are still subject to variance in terms of click stiffness and which part of the button is actuated (can provide some merit though). PK also records button-down events, which is the part that matters. Having said that, there is no way for the Air58 be 25 ms ahead of the GPW, so those numbers are very obviously not accurate.

Well, I see. 25ms seems like a lot indeed. At this point, a lot of windows "magic" can happen inbetween, also different usb hubs with different drivers and such might affect the results. Fascinating topic to me nonetheless, I will buy a high speed camera myself at some point, if for no other reason then to confirm the responsiveness of my system.
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