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RealForce Mouse RFM01U11 - 83g - Ergo - Capacitive Switches

I just saw this today and thought I'd post it here for anyone interested.

https://www.realforce.co.jp/products/RFM01U11/

Shape-wise it looks like another Zowie EC clone which isn't super exciting given how many we have in different weights and sizes now (Skoll, Skoll Mini, ABKO A800 Hacker, Model D, Sharkoon Light² 200, Pwnage Ultra Custom just to name a few) but this one doesn't have any holes and and still has a respectable weight of 83g, and the capacitive switches could be interesting (or disappointing, who knows lol).

I know the Topre capacitive switches found in RealForce keyboards are popular in the enthusiast mechanical keyboard scene but I've never tried them myself so I'm not sure what it will be like on a mouse. This is the paragraph translated from their Japanese product page:

"FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE WORLD, REALFORCE keyboards use capacitive contactless switches with approximately 19 years of experience as left and right mouse buttons. It not only has a structure that does not cause chatter and high durability of 50 million times or more, but also realizes a finger-friendly push feeling and silent sound called feather touch that other mice do not have. Unlike the microswitches used in general mice, the superb click sensation that does not give a strong repulsion or vibration to the finger reduces the fatigue of the finger."

Anyway, hope it was worth posting as I hadn't seen it mentioned here yet. Personally I think it's neat to see a Japanese company like RealForce/Topre come out with a pretty decent looking mouse, especially for their first mouse. It's made in Japan too which could be promising in terms of quality control, as opposed to 99% of current gaming mice which are made in China or Taiwan I think. I wonder what it will cost to buy though, and what availability will be like outside of Japan...
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Yes I saw this. But Canadian dollars are going really low now so I'm hesitating.

I just checked it's already sold out in the online stores like pc-koubou and ark-pc.

Manage to run your games at 300+fps before you talk about mouse precision.
If you are still struggling to reach 100fps or if you are using some IPS/VA monitor, don' buy mice anymore. Save money and upgrade your whole rig.
If you don't know how to upgrade, just throw away your Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen, get latest Intel i7 i9 with "K", get 4000+MHz memory.
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Yes I saw this. But Canadian dollars are going really low now so I'm hesitating.

I just checked it's already sold out in the online stores like pc-koubou and ark-pc.
Oh man yeah the exchange rates are bad for a lot of us now. It certainly makes buying from overseas difficult. I saw the Canadian dollar today was something like 0.69 USD? I'm in Australia and the AUD was down below 0.57 USD this morning. It's the worst it's ever been for as long as I can remember.

Not sure if RealForce/Topre plan to release their mouse outside of Japan considering the product page doesn't even exist on their English website, but I guess we'll see. We have so many EC clones to choose from as it is though so there's not anything about it that really makes me want to buy it right away, but it is interesting to look at and read about.

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Pretty interesting. I'm a huge fan of topre switches, but I'm wondering how that'd work out in a mouse. Seems like either the travel distance would too long, or if properly short, the tactile feeling would be underwhelming.

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I found this video on Youtube, all the text is in Japanese so i can't read what it says but it's a pretty good sound comparison vs the GPW. Not sure how I feel about it, the primary clicks are much quieter than I expected. I wonder if there's any kind of sharp tactility or if it's going to feel like pressing a membrane button. It's hard to tell based on sound if it's going to feel like mush or just a "different" kind of tactility. Don't know if it's my kind of thing but it's certainly interesting when companies try new stuff like this.


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As a long-time Topre lover who has tried them all, I'd love a go at this mouse.

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I really like the fact that it's much more silent. But I'd have to feel the clicks first.

If the tactility was nice (or even passable), I'd probably look into buying one, as silence is very important to me on my peripherals.

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Interesting video, sounds like a really springy topre. I used the google translate app and this is what I could make out:

0:20 - Button Sound
0:45 - When pressed slowly, there is almost no sound.
0:55 - Button stroke is long, there is a feeling of bottoming out [unsure, google translate was rough on this]
1:10 - When you let go of the button, the spring inside makes a sound
1:15 - It's a light sound, you can't usually hear it unless you're close.
1:30 - There is [a] little play in the wheel. The steps are a bit weak.
1:40 - Bye bye [?]
2:00 - The wind is strong [re: side buttons, guessing clicks?]
2:15 - [demo of spamming the buttons]
2:45 - Top shell is plastic, sides are rubberized.


EDIT: Here's an article with pictures of the internals. Interesting looking switches.

https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1238678.html

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Quote: Originally Posted by fourthavenue View Post
Yes I saw this. But Canadian dollars are going really low now so I'm hesitating.

You should see our Convict Currency at this moment in time, it's totally worthless BUT it doesn't stop me in buying any hardware for the near future.

When you're addicted to the latest stuff, even the AUD can still purchase anything, although you would need a lot more of it (suitcase style).
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Oh, finally a new "invention" for gaming mice: silent buttons
The question is whether they have the same actuation force and whether it's as spammable as clicky omrons.
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