The only non-paid shill post mouse roundup on the entire internet 2020 edition
First, I'm going to start off by saying that Logitech's sensor implementations are usually better than competitor brands. Steelseries seems like the only company I've seen release sensors as good or better than Logitech: Sensei 310 shape was too wide and rubber grips were terrible, but their 3360 implementation was as good or better than Logitech. Lots of off-brand 3360's I've tried were horrifically bad and didn't measure up to Logitech's or Steelseries at all.
As for the other elephant in the room (Razer), ALL of their sensors have been worse than Logitech and Steelseries' implementations for me. Their mice identify themselves to Windows as 1 mouse + 2 keyboards while normal mice identify themselves to Windows as 1 mouse 1 keyboard, so my theory is they bloat their firmware with Synapse garbage which causes them to somehow not track as good. Either that or just the mere addition of another virtual keyboard degrades performance in use due to the way Windows reacts to them.
Now on to the mouse roundup. In no particular order:
1) Model O and Model O-: While these mice aren't terrible, they're probably the most overhyped mice ever created. I'm average height with medium sized hands and the larger version is kinda too big for claw and fingertip use. The O- size works good for claw and fingertip grip, but then you hit the complete showstopper issue.
For some stupid reason, Glorious ships mice with the lowest LOD of just about any mouse ever created. No other 3360's and 3366's have LOD this low. A mouse that's 58 grams and ridiculously small will constantly lift off the pad completely and cause you to lose tracking due to the anemic LOD. They allow you to change the LOD by 1mm in the driver settings, but this is not a solution. Raising the LOD makes the tracking feel worse than default LOD for whatever reason.
As for the clicks, they're not terrible, but not as good as Logitech or Steelseries 3360 era mice. If you try to spam click with a Model O, the clicks don't really rebound fast/well, so they feel like they get kinda stuck in a rut and you can't spam click nearly as effectively as a Logitech or Steelseries with better clicks. Seeing as how you have major problems with the sensor of this mouse due to the anemic LOD and the clicks are just average at best, I'm not sure how people claim this mouse is better than the sum of it's parts.
It's very hard to compare tracking of the Model O- vs that of Logitech's 3366 and Steelseries' 3360 due to the huge weight and size differences, but I don't think tracking is at the Logitech or Steelseries 3360/3366 level either. Maybe if they release some miracle firmware addressing their LOD problems it might improve. I don't think many (any?) pro players use this mouse either? And I think the issues I described are probably why.
2) G Pro Hero wired: I've used not one, but three of these mice. One unit tracked slow with undershoot (DPI variance?) at 800 DPI. One tracked great with flicks going right where you want them to. I've never really used lots of samples of one particular mouse before, so either the Hero 16k sensor has a lot of manufacturing variance, or...all sensors do. Due to the on the fly framerate adjustment, this particular sensor is basically the fastest reacting one you can get. The Hero sensor is the antithesis of swamp cursor.
I would describe a normal sensor as feeling like you're slinging the cursor at the target as one would sling a sock with a roll of quarters in it at something. The Hero sensor kinda gets off the line faster, so there is less of a 'slinging' cursor at target feeling and it's more like a moving a laser beam from one point to another feeling. Most people are more used to traditional sensors which inherently have more of a 'slinging at target', undershoot type of effect, so I could see some people liking this sensor above all others due to it's faster off the line reaction speed, while others might think the cursor feels more floaty because it's constantly adjusting itself.
From a non-biased point of view, I would say there are pros and cons to both sensor types (constant framerate adjustment vs 'phase transitions' from one framerate to another). I seem to recall it feeling easier and less stressful to do tasks like highlighting text with a traditional sensor, while the Hero might feel a little overly twitchy in doing so and requiring you to put forth more effort into controlling the mouse in what is typically a leisurely task (because it's easier to do things like highlight text with undershoot).
For actual video game performance, comparing say a 3366 vs Hero 16k in something like League of Legends, if you're just walking around and someone suddenly appears on your screen and you need to do a quick draw flickshot in the fastest time possible, the Hero is probably going to win. On the other hand, if you're holding down a key with your skillshot pre-readied scanning back and forth with it waiting to let go, I think the traditional 3366 might actually be better here. Microadjustments might feel a little bit less floaty and more predictable in other words on the traditional 3366 sensor, but YMMV.
As for the G102/G Hero wired shape, it sucks compared to something like a Kana shape because a mouse needs a rear end to stabilize it for control. Having an anemic rear end on a mouse is equivalent to driving one of those 'trike' motorcycles with two wheels in the front and one in the back. It's just more out of control than a car with a stable base and four wheels. The shape seemingly wants to force you to use fingertip grip, which I do like fingertip grip, but when making microadjustments, I believe most fingertip grip users subconsciously switch to claw grip to do so because fingertip doesn't cut it for that fine grain activity.
In other words, any mouse that's not palm grip needs to function well in both fingertip and claw grip and easily allow you to transition back and forth between the two. Mice like the Kana shape do this well for both grips, while the G Pro Hero shape is 'okay' for fingertip grip and so so for claw. That 'trike' effect from no rear end is going to make you less accurate in both grips than something like a Kana shape, so the only real reason to use the mouse is the sensor or clicks and not the shape. Speaking of clicks, the clicks on this mouse are 'okay', but a little louder than normal Logitech which is kinda annoying.
3) G Pro Wireless: This is the runner up for the most overhyped mouse ever created next to the Model O. For all I said about the G Pro Hero wired's shape, it actually functions decent in fingertip grip, while the GPW doesn't really feel right in fingertip, claw, or palm grip. It's a mouse that feels like it was designed for nobody and no grip style at all. They just made an ambigious shape with no regard to who would use it. The mouse LOOKS like someone who likes the Kana or MS Wheel Mouse Optical shape would like it, but it doesn't feel like any of those mice at all in your hand.
The mouse just feels like a slightly adjusted G403 or something instead. This is a mouse that seems like they were leaning more towards claw and fingertip grip, so they really need to make it more low profile like an XM1 to cater to those grip styles instead of attempting to make a mouse shape to satisfy everyone that satisifes noone in reality. The one saving grace this mouse does have is the clicks are a little better and quieter than the G Pro Hero wired. For FPS, this mouse has a rear end so FPS players would generally probably play better with it due to having more stability for micro adjustments, but in games like League of Legends, I play better with the G Pro Hero wired instead.
The fact I play worse with this mouse than the G Pro Hero wired in League of Legends makes it feel like an enormous ripoff to me personally (probably because I don't use palm grip and it's not low profile enough for a good claw and fingertip grip?). If the shape was identical to something like a Kana or more low profile like an XM1 it might be a mouse that I would main, but the shape just isn't as good making the $150 price tag look ridiculous. This is a mouse that I thought I would love the shape, but even the G402 - which is a much heavier mouse - seems like a better claw grip shape to me.
4) Endgame XM1 - My first gen XM1 had the worst buttons of any mouse I've ever used. Both made a loud THUNK sound on rebound and were the loudest, most obnoxious buttons I've ever had. JumpingRocketNinja also had similar issues on his, so it's not me being overly picky. My new white one doesn't make these 'thunk' sounds and is much better, but the buttons are still slightly too loud and require a little too much force to press than a standard Logitech or Steelseries you're probably used to.
They put the click actuation at the very way front of the mouse, so if you have long mutant-like fingers and click the very front, they'll feel softer and more like a normal click, but only if you're a mutant. For a normal human using claw grip, you'll be clicking around the middle of the button way off from the actual actuation point, and it will require more force. As for the sensor, the tracking is better than the 3389 in the Steelseries Ten to me. They put some type of "tilt tracking" in the Sensei Ten. I don't think there's an actual tilt sensor but some type of background routine running that probably bogs down their 3389 (my guess). Only explanation I can think of for why the XM1's sensor feels better.
Due to the clicks being a little stiffer than a normal Logitech and the click sounds also being high pitch and kinda annoying, this mouse is kinda so so for spam click intensive games like MOBA, but probably not an issue for FPS. If the clicks don't bother you, it's probably one of the best options in terms of shape, performance, and price. I'm using this mouse right now, but I'll be honest, the clicks are just repulsive to me compared to clicks like the G502, G402, G302, etc. Once you've used a good Logitech click, ones like these just make you want to throw up.
This is the first mouse I've had where I banged my fist on the buttons hoping I can somehow break them in faster so they'll be slightly softer and less of a glass breaking sound for actuation and more of a 'click' sound instead. The whole 'glass breaking' sound might be a 50m Chinese Omron issue, though. The G Pro Hero Wired with 50m Chinese Omrons has kinda loud clicks too, while the GPW mysteriously has better and a bit quieter clicks using the same switches. Might be different shell acoustics on the GPW blocking some of that glass breaking sound on the switches from getting out.
That loud glass breaking sound is almost like torture over time on the XM1. The pitch of the sound just seems like it was hand selected to cause the most annoyance possible. The GPW's clicks sound like a higher frequency than the XM1, but the sound is more muffled and not as loud so much less annoying. When I click the XM1, it sounds like there's nothing blocking the noise coming out and that noise travels hard and loud to the point where clicking it on your desk is just as annoying as holding it up right to your ear and clicking it over and over. The XM1 is a good shape, weight, and decent sensor, but the waterboarding of mouse clicks.
5) Viper Mini - Getting tired of typing now, so just gonna get to the point fast here. Clicks are supposed to be 'improved' but are still junk. Worse than the Model O-, which already has kinda rickity clicks itself. Worse than any Logitech click. The sound is probably better and lower pitched than the XM1 click, but Viper Mini clicks aren't good for spam clicking and worse than Model O and XM1 in that regard. As for the sensor, all Razer sensors feel worse than competitors to me. Probably due to the issue I talked about above where Razer mice identify themselves to Windows as 1 mouse 2 keyboards, while normal mice identify themselves as 1 mouse 1 keyboard.
They seem to put some type of unneeded bloat in the firmwares and that's my theory for why their sensors always suck compared to competitors. This mouse is no exception. It's a bad sensor with Razer's bad 1 mouse 2 keyboard bloat firmware on top of it (probably for Synapse garbage?). I didn't spend a lot of time with the mouse due to the sensor, firmware, and clicks all being blah, but I seem to remember this mouse might have been harder to grip than a Model O- too. Mose mice there's at least one good thing about it, but I don't recall a single good thing about the Viper Mini.
Last edited by r0ach; 07-03-2020 at 02:07 AM.