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post #21 of 27 (permalink) Old 12-18-2018, 07:02 AM
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Will the X570 support the Ryzen 1700? Hate the X370 I've got now, rubbish to overclock with, VRM's hit 95C easy with the cores at 3.6GHz Can't even overclock my RAM another 200MHz either.

Compatibility with the older processors should be pretty much guaranteed. The VRMs also wont have much to do with the chipset on the board but rather the board itself. Just need to get one with better quality VRM, probably more VRM, and some better cooling around the VRM.

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Will the X570 support the Ryzen 1700? Hate the X370 I've got now, rubbish to overclock with, VRM's hit 95C easy with the cores at 3.6GHz Can't even overclock my RAM another 200MHz either.
Which motherboard do you have? Sounds like a cheap motherboard, or you really have a potato CPU.
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Compatibility with the older processors should be pretty much guaranteed. The VRMs also wont have much to do with the chipset on the board but rather the board itself. Just need to get one with better quality VRM, probably more VRM, and some better cooling around the VRM.
Sounds like most every board from 2017 and 2018. Rushed products favoring style over substance.


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Yeah that's definitely user error and not the product's fault. This is why reviews exist.

Intel claimed the 9900k was a 95 watt TDP - yeah kind of , maybe .
If you run it completely within spec. it is not that impressive .
I put it in an ITX build and pretty much had to due to heat - bad choice yes but due to bad information .
The early youtube reviews were running it at 95 watt spec too .
was not till later that the other (hardware unboxed ) reviews came out had already ordered and paid by then .
Risks of early adoption .
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...what? You hate a superior product because... muh AMD?



Oh yeah... muh AMD + use-case scenario (and to reply to what you're gonna say before you do, no one is saying AMD's Ryzen line-up doesn't have a better priceerf ratio - but the i9-9900k is a superior product).




Yeah that's definitely user error and not the product's fault. This is why reviews exist.

It's the simple fact that I own both and I would never buy at current pricing an intel setup having Ryzen in the market. The performance difference is not enough to justify the insane overpriced Intel chips plain and simple. Yes the 9900k clocks better than the 2700x however it doesn't give enough of a performance gain to justify the $240 cost difference. But it's your money to spend if you feel the need to pay $240 more and not get $240 more worth of performance.
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Quote: Originally Posted by pony-tail View Post
Intel claimed the 9900k was a 95 watt TDP - yeah kind of , maybe .
If you run it completely within spec. it is not that impressive .
I put it in an ITX build and pretty much had to due to heat - bad choice yes but due to bad information .
The early youtube reviews were running it at 95 watt spec too .
was not till later that the other (hardware unboxed ) reviews came out had already ordered and paid by then .
Risks of early adoption .
I couldn't really find much info on how the z370 itx boards handled 9th gen stuff either. I have the same board and I was contemplating getting a 9700k to tide me over til the next zen stuff drops but I feel like my board wouldn't even be able to hold the turbo clocks on it...

If I put myself into the shoes of a person that doesn't frequent PC forums/isn't an enthusiast, it is even more frustrating... being forced to differentiate between boards that "support" a processor and ones that support the processor, but won't be able to actually fully utilize it because they have weak VRMs. You can watch reviews, but most reviews don't even address VRM capabilities, so now you are forced to find the right reviews... it's exhausting to be honest.

Not to mention stuff like memory speeds lol. There are probably so many people out there that buy fast memory and never enable XMP in the bios, or they do set it, but they have ryzen, so it crashes their computer unless they bought a very specific kit that looks the exact same except it is called "flare"......

User errors tho man, you gotta remember to read the dictionary before buying a book lol..

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Quote: Originally Posted by pony-tail View Post
Intel claimed the 9900k was a 95 watt TDP - yeah kind of , maybe .
So did you read what parameters Intel or AMD defines their TDP estimates within? Or are you just going off of the YouTube PC reviewer hype videos?


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If you run it completely within spec. it is not that impressive .
And then on-top of that expect it to keep the same power envelope when going out of spec?


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I put it in an ITX build and pretty much had to due to heat - bad choice yes but due to bad information .
You just ignored any information, and got upset when you did.


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The early youtube reviews were running it at 95 watt spec too .
was not till later that the other (hardware unboxed ) reviews came out had already ordered and paid by then .
Risks of early adoption .
Nah, more like the risks of not understanding products and expecting something unrealistic.




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It's the simple fact that I own both and I would never buy at current pricing an intel setup having Ryzen in the market. The performance difference is not enough to justify the insane overpriced Intel chips plain and simple. Yes the 9900k clocks better than the 2700x however it doesn't give enough of a performance gain to justify the $240 cost difference. But it's your money to spend if you feel the need to pay $240 more and not get $240 more worth of performance.


Yeah pretty much, Ryzen does have a better priceer, and the price increase of the 9900k doesn't result in a good scaling of performance (but that's kinda how it always is with high-end products). But I don't mind spending that extra for that little bit more performance to be honest.

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