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What AMD needs is to make reference motherboards.
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that or some form of standardization.
e.g. budget MATX should have it's x16 GPU slot on the 2nd row, with the 1st row either occupied by an x4, x1 or none at all.

x4 would allow for an M.2 adapter card or 10GbE card, x1 would allow for a sound card, wifi card, or gigabit card to be placed without blocking the GPU's intake.
while not having anything on the 1st row would allow large heatsinks to fit with plenty of clearance to spare.

Yeah AMD need to make some kind of standard that the manufactures have to stick to, the current mATX boards are a mess, I know mATX isn't super popular but still, most have horrible VRM cooling and power delivery, bad layouts in general, makes it hard for those of us who can't / don't want to have ATX or ITX to find a semi decent board. Even if they don't make a rock solid standard the one thing I wish they would force is putting the M.2 above the first PCI-e slot instead of directly under it, I cooked my first M.2 because of that, I now have to use a PCI-e adaptor card for my M.2 so I don't cook it again.

Another thing AMD should push for is server boards, if they can get Supermicro to put out even 1 or 2 dedicated AM4 server boards with onboard graphic chips (as is standard on a proper server board) AMD could start to take over the home server and DIY NAS market, could mean big money for them because I know a lot of people are sick of the overpriced under performing Xeons. Gimmie that R7 3700 or R9 3800 with 32 - 64GB of ECC RAM for both my NAS and server and I'd be very happy.

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Until it's officially announced i won't hope for a core count bump this gen. I'll take those clock speeds though.

Edit: Not even Reddit believed the "leak" discussed in the beginning of the video https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ague_messaged/

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Yeah AMD need to make some kind of standard that the manufactures have to stick to, the current mATX boards are a mess, I know mATX isn't super popular but still, most have horrible VRM cooling and power delivery, bad layouts in general, makes it hard for those of us who can't / don't want to have ATX or ITX to find a semi decent board. Even if they don't make a rock solid standard the one thing I wish they would force is putting the M.2 above the first PCI-e slot instead of directly under it, I cooked my first M.2 because of that, I now have to use a PCI-e adaptor card for my M.2 so I don't cook it again.

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from what i remember, theres not enough space between the CPU socket and 1st row PCIe, at least not for those that uses an x16 on the 1st row.


however if they do it like this...


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Until it's officially announced i won't hope for a core count bump this gen. I'll take those clock speeds though.

Agreed. The core counts were gravy. I want the clock speed. If the cores counts in this leak aren't accurate, but the clock speeds are, or close; with a nice lil bump in IPC, I would be very happy.
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from what i remember, theres not enough space between the CPU socket and 1st row PCIe, at least not for those that uses an x16 on the 1st row.


however if they do it like this...

That's pretty much what I meant, having an M.2 directly under the GPU can cause to much heat build up and cause damage but if it's above the GPU (closer to the CPU) or near the chipset then it's not to bad but right under is just utterly stupid unless you watercool the GPU.


Really it's not even an AMD thing it's more of a general motherboard thing but I've noticed its more AMD boards than Intel boards because the AMD ones are made cheaper.

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Well the 2600x is like a slower 8700k...in some stuff yeah it probably is threaded like that and close...and for that deal. Make 3rd a little faster.
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wait for ces 2019. plzz.
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I didn't see anything that was too far fetched, except maybe clocks speeds.

AMD have already shown chiplets on their EPYC line, so we know they have that. It just makes sense to use it also on Ryzen. I can definitely see them binning the chiplets for clocks speed and core count. They're already binning current Ryzen chips, as seen in Ryzen Master which shows you your best cores. Clock speeds are almost guaranteed to get a bump due to the die shrink and improved processes.

One thing that did concern me was his speculation that a x500 series board will be required for the high end parts. I just bought a CH7 just because of the ridiculous VRM in anticipation of upgrading to a 16 core in the future. I don't want to be limited arbitrarily just because some manufacturers are cheaping out on the VRM. Though it might be handled similarly to the 9900k where they limit the TDP of the chip if the VRM on the board sucks.

I'm also curious if the core and the chiplets will have independent clock control. Could make for a more interesting overclocking situation.

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If true AMD could take a good chunk of the market seeing Intel has crap all and might not have crap all till 2020.


But... AMD need to kick the motherboard manufactures in the ass, we have a handful of semi decent boards, most of them are the stupidly expensive high end ATX, mATX and ITX don't really have much, sure some have nice features but the power delivery and cooling of that power delivery on most boards is laughable.

B450M Mortar is more or less the B450 Pro Carbon in mATX form. However it is cut down in terms of features and the mosfets are slightly worse.


ITX-wise I think the best AM4 board is the ASUS x370 STRIX ITX board with 6x 50A Infineon powerblocks. I'd like to see an Asrock Phantom ITX board like the Z370/Z390 one with 5x ISL99227B 60A Powerstages.


As far as midrange goes, the STRIX x370 /x470 and older Taichi are under $200 typically. The X470 Pro Carbon gets away with using more mosfets than the lower boards but it does have decent performance. The Prime X470 Pro could have had a better heatsink , it suffers the same problem as the X370 Gaming K7 in that the 6x 40A Ir3553 powerstages aren't cooled well enough even though they are capable.



For B550 if the rumor is true there definitely has to be a more robust power delivery. I'd expect at least 8x 60A powerstages to be at least on par with what was required for X299 and X399.

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Ill keep some salt handy, but those clocks look a bit on the high side. Alot of cores though at still competitive pricing, Intel may have to take a back seat for next year but time will tell.

7nm yields could be working out good for AMD who knows, CES will have some buzz for once this year maybe.
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