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Apple orders less chips from TSMC = AMD can get more Chiplets and Vegas :-).
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Damage control at best no numbers on production

Its clearly not 'damage control at best'.
Why would they provide figures on production runs?
They debunked tweaktowns "no AIB products" clickbait article.
Nvidia doesnt release their production numbers regarding upcoming products either.

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I wouldn't be surprised honestly, considering each GPU has 4 stacks of HBM2 memory. I would hardly expect them to yield highly, if simply due to the 4 stacks of HBM2 memory. Depending on demand, I imagine AMD would manufacture more if it's in higher demand than projected by them though...

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ricwin View Post
Its clearly not 'damage control at best'.
Why would they provide figures on production runs?
They debunked tweaktowns "no AIB products" clickbait article.
Nvidia doesnt release their production numbers regarding upcoming products either.
LOL, how in the world is it damage control when AMD responded directly to the rumor?
But right, they won't disclose units shipped via response to a rumor through the media. But I thought that would be common knowledge.

And you are right Nvidia would never release units shipped in this fashion either.
The fud article is debunked. But I already knew that since " meat" to the rumor was scarce to begin with. It was pretty obvious it wasn't true or about the clicks.
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Here's a thought, why does this have to be the only Vega card AMD announces this year? They took out a whole new trademark for the Vega line, what if this is just the first one for working out the 7nm kinks and they plan to unveil a new Vega design down the road? AMD has been playing their hand cautious and sneaky for a while now, and what if this is just the budget data-center card that can also play games but hey guess what we've got another one for you.

I mean, everyone thought we would be getting NAVI at CES and that didn't happen, so maybe we're getting a Vega8 later this year along with the NAVI announcement, or instead of the NAVI announcement.

I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.

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Here's a thought, why does this have to be the only Vega card AMD announces this year? They took out a whole new trademark for the Vega line, what if this is just the first one for working out the 7nm kinks and they plan to unveil a new Vega design down the road? AMD has been playing their hand cautious and sneaky for a while now, and what if this is just the budget data-center card that can also play games but hey guess what we've got another one for you.

I mean, everyone thought we would be getting NAVI at CES and that didn't happen, so maybe we're getting a Vega8 later this year along with the NAVI announcement, or instead of the NAVI announcement.
I think they had to release something high performance just to be there in benchmark graphs so people do not complain. Navi will be the GPU they would want to sell.

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They made a lot of strange articles. I would also be suprised if such information is commonly known. It's like they know already everything about the whole R7 product range.
Yep sounds like clickbait, if they only got 5000 and are making a loss on each one sold, they wouldn't have bothered. It's the second part that I doubt most - these are loss-making products - because they are using failed MI50 chips, which they have already paid for, and are re-purposing those into the product. So unless 16GB HBM2 takes the best part of $700 BOM, I doubt they are losing money on each one.


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Yep sounds like clickbait, if they only got 5000 and are making a loss on each one sold, they wouldn't have bothered. It's the second part that I doubt most - these are loss-making products - because they are using failed MI50 chips, which they have already paid for, and are re-purposing those into the product. So unless 16GB HBM2 takes the best part of $700 BOM, I doubt they are losing money on each one.
Yeah I pointed that out before too. Sure HBM is high but there's no way it costs this much to buy just the memory and PCB.

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I think they had to release something high performance just to be there in benchmark graphs so people do not complain. Navi will be the GPU they would want to sell.
While that is good and nice, it feels kinda redundant when the card in that list is completely unavailable to purchase until very much later.
If it is true, that there will only be a few thousands available first, and it will take a while for more to be available, it makes it that by the time you can put your hands on it, nvidia already release an update version that will make that card irrelevant even more.
I mean, release a 1180 as a 2080 just without tensor cores, at 50-100$ less of the price of the 2080/vega 7. So you get vega 7 performance for less.

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Yeah I pointed that out before too. Sure HBM is high but there's no way it costs this much to buy just the memory and PCB.
It depends on how you calculate the loss.
If the price of rush ordering the waffles off TMSC is increase, making the modules and tooling and everything for just 5000 cards makes it cost more per card, and if you put the R&D and other costs on it, increases the price.

And if those cards are basically MI50, and MI50 sell for a lot more and in high demand but low quantity, and they sell those cards for less than what they could get as MI50, it could also be considered a loss, even though it is actually a profit, but such a profit that could be considered loss of potential revenue.



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Correction... There are 4999 cards. One is coming home with me

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