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post #11 of 74 (permalink) Old 01-19-2019, 03:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CelticGamer View Post

Lisa at 6:28 "3rd Gen Ryzen will run on the same AM4 desktop infrastructure, and for all of you that are on Ryzen today, really simple upgrade. Drop in for users."

That almost sounds to me like a blanket statement.
And where exactly did it say that 3rd gen wasn't supported? What it did say is on some 300 series brands... they may have to make choices with the bios updates on what chips to support. So you get a bios that includes the support microcode for the chip you want to use. That's up to the board maker to supply...

I'm not really sure what the problem is. If the company that made your motherboard doesn't offer the bios support you need that's not because AMD made the CPU non compatible with your AM4 board.

Which also has nothing to do with saying your board is junk or anything remotely like that. Either the company that made it will offer a bios with the microcode support you need or they will not offer it. If you want to run a 3rd gen CPU on your board you don't exactly need a bunch of microcode for chips you're not going to use... so they should offer bios options.
This guy gets it, it's not a hard concept to grasp. Sure I didn't need to "attack" Celticgamers mobo choice, not that it was really meant as a personal thing towards him, more a gripe with MSI.
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"So AMD explicitly states AM4 will continue to be supported" And it is, and it will be...its up to the Motherboard manufacturers to provide a micro-code update via bios update to the consumer, not AMD, AMD don't directly release bios updates for consumers boards do they? They provide microcodes, and then manufactures chose to do with that what they will, whether you will get a microcode update for your motherboard, is a different story alltogether, as MSI have chosen to use the previous generation of bios, from the 300 series, on their 400 series board..that very reason is why I deem the board crap, not out of childlike mentality, or whatever you would like to call it, simply out of fact..and it quite possibly could result in no bios update from MSI, or it might be a non-issue all together, as they might just cull some old microcode from the 16mb BIOS file, and allow it 3000 series compatibility (that will remain to be seen).

Some boards are going to support 3000 series (I would hazard a guess and say most will), and some may not, due to decisions made by the manufacturers, not AMD, so its not a hard concept to grasp, AMD can make the statement that they are supporting AM4 till 2020, as its the only platform they currently make, for AM4 based Ryzen CPU's, and they can make the statement that "3rd Gen Ryzen will run on the same AM4 desktop infrastructure, and for all of you that are on Ryzen today, really simple upgrade. Drop in for users.", as it will be the case for most end users, if you want to complain about something, blame MSI for being the corner cutting POS company that they are, instead of posting this 4chan quality thread, all its missing is a wojak and alittle bit more "REEEE" from you at this point.
I agree with you 100%. But people going to be butt hurt and look to blame AMD. It's unfortunate because board manufacturers are to blame IMO. Well maybe not really to blame so much as who can expect every single board to support the upgrade. That's asinine.

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I'm not solely blaming AMD here, not sure where you guys are getting that from, maybe my posts are coming across that way. I get the point that the motherboard manufacturer would mostly be to blame.

I would like to avoid future disappointment, so with that said, just for future reference, when Lisa and AMD say "ALL of you currently on Ryzen can upgrade to 3000", how should I interpret that word "ALL"?

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And where exactly did it say that 3rd gen wasn't supported? What it did say is on some 300 series brands... they may have to make choices with the bios updates on what chips to support. So you get a bios that includes the support microcode for the chip you want to use. That's up to the board maker to supply...

I'm not really sure what the problem is. If the company that made your motherboard doesn't offer the bios support you need that's not because AMD made the CPU non compatible with your AM4 board.

Which also has nothing to do with saying your board is junk or anything remotely like that. Either the company that made it will offer a bios with the microcode support you need or they will not offer it. If you want to run a 3rd gen CPU on your board you don't exactly need a bunch of microcode for chips you're not going to use... so they should offer bios options.
This would be the correct response.

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I'm not solely blaming AMD here, not sure where you guys are getting that from, maybe my posts are coming across that way. I get the point that the motherboard manufacturer would mostly be to blame.

I would like to avoid future disappointment, so with that said, just for future reference, when Lisa and AMD say "ALL of you currently on Ryzen can upgrade to 3000", how should I interpret that word "ALL"?
Just so you know, it did absolutely come across that way. As to the answer, see above.

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This would be the correct response.



Just so you know, it did absolutely come across that way. As to the answer, see above.
Thanks, I appreciate it. But that really didn't answer the question of their blanket statement using the term "ALL".

I'm sincerely asking, when a company uses the term "ALL" how should I interpret that?

Maybe a wiser statement would have been "All of you may easily upgrade PROVIDED that your motherboard maker releases a compatible BIOS update".

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Isn't it too premature to declare anything at this point?
Yes, probably so. None of us know if any of this is true.

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If this new gen of ryzen is anywhere near the rumors, to me there is no way a x370 board is not going to hinder the performance of that chip. I will Gladly buy a new cpu and mobo for the gains it will provide for still much better value than anything intel has to offer. As for bios problems... that's on the individual company to provide and i do not blame amd for that. My bet is they will almost all provide it but it wont be as fast as you want it to be to try and get you to buy a new mobo.
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If this new gen of ryzen is anywhere near the rumors, to me there is no way a x370 board is not going to hinder the performance of that chip. I will Gladly buy a new cpu and mobo for the gains it will provide for still much better value than anything intel has to offer. As for bios problems... that's on the individual company to provide and i do not blame amd for that. My bet is they will almost all provide it but it wont be as fast as you want it to be to try and get you to buy a new mobo.
Well, the TDP is supposed to be the same on these new chips as last gen, so I imagine that most decent x370 boards will be able to handle at least the 3700X equivalent, provided that chip actually does end up being a 105W TDP.

Again, none of us know if these supposed "bios problems" are going to play out as true, but reading another thread on this topic, it seems that if this is indeed true, there will be a lot of boards effected, not just MSI.

As others have said, I'm sure there will be work arounds if this ends up being true.

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I'd be disappointed if any decent X370 and X470 doesn't have support.

Alphabetically , some boards and their BIOs chips:
Asrock X470 Taichi has 256Mb
Asrock X370 Taichi has 128Mb (high end)
Asrock X470 Fatal1ty K4 has 256 Mb (mediocre budget board)
ASUS Crosshair VII Hero has 256 Mb Flash ROM
ASUS Crosshair VI Hero has 128 Mb Flash ROM
ASUS ROG STRIX x470-F has 256 Mb Flash ROM (midrange)
ASUS ROG STRIX x370-F has 128 Mb Flash ROM (midrange)
ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I has 256 Mb Flash ROM
ASUS PRIME X370-Pro has 128 Mb Flash ROM (low midrange)
Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 has a socket BIOS chip and total 2 x 128 Mbit flash
Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra has 2 x 128 Mbit BIOS chips (basically budget board with BCLK)
Gigabyte X370 K7 has 2x 128Mb BIOS chips
Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 has 2x 128 Mb BIOS chips
MSI X470 Gaming M7 has 128Mb (high end)
MSI X470 Pro Carbon has (midrange)
MSI B450 Pro Carbon has 128Mb (budget board) if we go by B450 Tomahawk
MSI X370 Pro Carbon has 128Mb (mediocre board but popular)
MSI X370 SLI PLUS has 128Mb (budget X370 board)



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16MiBytes is the criteria , so let's not get carried away here. That's 128Mb.

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