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[pcgamesn] Not all AMD 300-series AM4 motherboards may be 3rd Gen Ryzen CPU compatible

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AMD’s AM4 platform is set to stick around around until next year, 2020. Until that day arrives, AMD has promised that all of its desktop Ryzen chips will be physically compatible with the current PGA AM4 socket and accompanying chipsets. For the most part, forgetting Threadripper for a moment, AMD has stuck to its word, too. Although support for 3000-series chips may now come down to a question of 16MiBytes.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-300...rds-compatible

If this is true, I'm going to be beyond pissed and dissapointed. I specifically skipped over Intel, and lost gaming performance by going with an X470 Board, and a 2700X, as I was pretty much promised that I would have an upgrade path to the new generation of Ryzen's.

Worse yet, my X470 Gaming Pro Carbon "appears" to only have 16mb Bios capacity.

What's everyone's thoughts on this?

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Bound to cause an uproar all around. It seems to me that the tech world is always changing and what is considered set in stone today may be turned to sand tomorrow.

$50 says a mod will come out to allow for third gen usage on older boards.


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As above im sure they will make a special bios.
If too many cpu microcodes is the issue then all they need to do is, remove some of them from the code.


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"as I was pretty much promised that I would have an upgrade path to the new generation of Ryzen's" by whome? AMD themselves went on record promising this? Or did you just assume a bunch of randoms on the internet somehow knew what they were talking about and had crystal balls that told the future?

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Quote: Originally Posted by GHADthc View Post
"as I was pretty much promised that I would have an upgrade path to the new generation of Ryzen's" by whome? AMD themselves went on record promising this? Or did you just assume a bunch of randoms on the internet somehow knew what they were talking about and had crystal balls that told the future?
AMD has repeatedly said, over and over again, that they will support the AM4 socket until 2020. On top of that, at CES, one of the first things Lisa said when introducing the new Ryzen's is that the older motherboards will be compatible.

Are you seriously that far out of the know? Maybe pay attention next time.

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Quote: Originally Posted by CelticGamer View Post
AMD has repeatedly said, over and over again, that they will support the AM4 socket until 2020. On top of that, at CES, one of the first things Lisa said when introducing the new Ryzen's is that the older motherboards will be compatible.

Are you seriously that far out of the know? Maybe pay attention next time.
So when they say they will support AM4 to 2020, did that specifically mean all AM4 boards? Because there is a lot of variables involved there, and that's not how it was worded...also did Lisa say ALL boards would be compatible at CES? No she didn't, because that's an impossible blanket statement, due to how much variables are involved between all the different motherboard manufacturers.

Just because you've come to your own conclusions, doesn't mean AMD should be held accountable for that, you've set yourself up for disappointment , not AMD.

And no I'm not that far out of the know, I payed plenty of attention to the industry, and made my predictions with much thought involved, hence why I didn't buy a crap MSI motherboard, and bought a Asus CH7 Wifi, with the best VRM on the market, and I'll be dropping whatever the best 3000 series offering there is available, straight into my board without any issues...so maybe you should take your own advice next time, sunshine.

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Quote: Originally Posted by GHADthc View Post
So when they say they will support AM4 to 2020, did that specifically mean all AM4 boards? Because there is a lot of variables involved there, and that's not how it was worded...also did Lisa say ALL boards would be compatible at CES? No she didn't, because that's an impossible blanket statement, due to how much variables are involved between all the different motherboard manufacturers.

Just because you've come to your own conclusions, doesn't mean AMD should be held accountable for that, you've set yourself up for disappointment , not AMD.

And no I'm not that far out of the know, I payed plenty of attention to the industry, and made my predictions with much thought involved, hence why I didn't buy a crap MSI motherboard, and bought a Asus CH7 Wifi, with the best VRM on the market, and I'll be dropping whatever the best 3000 series offering there is available, straight into my board without any issues...so maybe you should take your own advice next time, sunshine.
Large amounts of stupidity in this post here.


Lisa at 6:28 "3rd Gen Ryzen will run on the same AM4 desktop infrastructure, and for all of you that are on Ryzen today, really simple upgrade. Drop in for users."

That almost sounds to me like a blanket statement.

I won't even bother linking dozens of other articles where they state backwards compatibility.

The fact that you didn't even know that they had this stance shows me you are indeed completely out of the know. You have zero clue what your talking about, and are just spewing non sense.

"Just because you've come to your own conclusions, doesn't mean AMD should be held accountable for that, you've set yourself up for disappointment , not AMD."

So AMD explicitly states AM4 will continue to be supported, and boards will be future compatible with future processors, so I buy the newest, latest X470 board, and that was setting myself up for disappointment? I came to my own conclusion by trusting what directly came from their mouths? What an idiotic statement.

And lastly, attacking my choice of motherboard, calling it junk, then boasting how great yours is shows a petty and childlike mentality if you ask me. Pretty weak stuff there.

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So what so you swap the UEFI chip for a better one. Takes 5 seconds on my Intel board and I got two of these swappable chips. All depends on your board selection, you get what you pay for, ordered a board with soldered on UEFI chip... oh well that's what you wanted.
If it needs a higher capacity chip to support all the ucode... oh well. Maybe they will do a fork for lower sized UEFI chips with less features or something along those lines to fit it in. Or tell mobo makers to cut their huge amount of crap out of UEFI to fit it in, all the fancy GUI nonsense, auto detection you don't want anyway, ...

They will sort it out sooner or later or someone will do it for them. Don't take a genius to swap the chip. A good service center of mobo maker could do it in 5min.
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"So AMD explicitly states AM4 will continue to be supported" And it is, and it will be...its up to the Motherboard manufacturers to provide a micro-code update via bios update to the consumer, not AMD, AMD don't directly release bios updates for consumers boards do they? They provide microcodes, and then manufactures chose to do with that what they will, whether you will get a microcode update for your motherboard, is a different story alltogether, as MSI have chosen to use the previous generation of bios, from the 300 series, on their 400 series board..that very reason is why I deem the board crap, not out of childlike mentality, or whatever you would like to call it, simply out of fact..and it quite possibly could result in no bios update from MSI, or it might be a non-issue all together, as they might just cull some old microcode from the 16mb BIOS file, and allow it 3000 series compatibility (that will remain to be seen).

Some boards are going to support 3000 series (I would hazard a guess and say most will), and some may not, due to decisions made by the manufacturers, not AMD, so its not a hard concept to grasp, AMD can make the statement that they are supporting AM4 till 2020, as its the only platform they currently make, for AM4 based Ryzen CPU's, and they can make the statement that "3rd Gen Ryzen will run on the same AM4 desktop infrastructure, and for all of you that are on Ryzen today, really simple upgrade. Drop in for users.", as it will be the case for most end users, if you want to complain about something, blame MSI for being the corner cutting POS company that they are, instead of posting this 4chan quality thread, all its missing is a wojak and alittle bit more "REEEE" from you at this point.

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Lisa at 6:28 "3rd Gen Ryzen will run on the same AM4 desktop infrastructure, and for all of you that are on Ryzen today, really simple upgrade. Drop in for users."

That almost sounds to me like a blanket statement.
And where exactly did it say that 3rd gen wasn't supported? What it did say is on some 300 series brands... they may have to make choices with the bios updates on what chips to support. So you get a bios that includes the support microcode for the chip you want to use. That's up to the board maker to supply...

I'm not really sure what the problem is. If the company that made your motherboard doesn't offer the bios support you need that's not because AMD made the CPU non compatible with your AM4 board.

Which also has nothing to do with saying your board is junk or anything remotely like that. Either the company that made it will offer a bios with the microcode support you need or they will not offer it. If you want to run a 3rd gen CPU on your board you don't exactly need a bunch of microcode for chips you're not going to use... so they should offer bios options.
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