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Old 01-23-2019, 05:46 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hwgeek View Post
So Intel is struggling to implement PCI-E Gen4 while AMD users can just enable it on older M-board with Bios Update? LMAO :-).
Nobody is struggling, that's spin you're adding for your own effect. Intel is always more cautious when it comes to validation. The boards will be capable, as it's just a copper interconnect.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by elina08 View Post
"We spoke with AMD representatives, who confirmed that 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards can support PCIe 4.0. AMD will not lock the out feature, instead it will be up to motherboard vendors to validate and qualify the faster standard on its motherboards on a case-by-case basis. Motherboard vendors that do support the feature will enable it through BIOS updates, but those updates will come at the discretion of the vendor. As mentioned below, support could be limited to slots based upon board, switch, and mux layouts."
As in, there is no guarantee as you claimed. Not all motherboards will magically become PCIE 4.0, and it will require motherboards to make sure it works, and not just magic, a swing of a wand.

So, you keep claiming something that is not going to happen necessarily.

Especially since you even didn't read the last sentence of that paragraph.

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Backwards compatible - if the motherboard is capable and the board manufacturer supplies a bios update to enable. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...ard,38401.html

So, again, it will not be magic. Board has to be ready for PCIE 4.0 in the first place right? What if it's not? So puttying a new ryzen will make it anyway? No. That is my point.
If they made the board for PCIE 3.0 only, and not PCIE 4.0, putting a new chip doesn't make it PCIE 4.0. My point stands, You two just keep trying to make it look like ryzen will, while it won't.


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Nobody is struggling, that's spin you're adding for your own effect. Intel is always more cautious when it comes to validation. The boards will be capable, as it's just a copper interconnect.
Of course they are, arent that the reason behind not supporting "8th gen skylake" on Z270 boards?
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:54 AM
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Of course they are, arent that the reason behind not supporting "8th gen skylake" on Z270 boards?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMY-EEFkGVk
Can you tell me what that has to do with PCIE 4.0 validation?
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That's what we call greed. Release a new pin out docket for every CPU every year you get more $$$$$.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post
Can you tell me what that has to do with PCIE 4.0 validation?
"what that has to do with PCIE 4.0 validation"?
Same like the "lake of power requirement" of the Z270 Socket to support Kaby-Lake that force us to buy new s1151v2 socket MB, now we will start to hear about new "Reasons" that current new Z390/X299 motherboards cannot support PCI-E4 and new 10nm CPU's so Intel must introduce new Socket again!.
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That's what we call greed. Release a new pin out docket for every CPU every year you get more $$$$$.

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This is another assertion on your part, though. The video even concludes with Roman mentioning the unknowns of longevity, more to the point it has nothing to do with PCIE validation...lol
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common issues really, just like how they don't recommend CAT5e cables to run a 10GBaseT network, which isn't entirely true.

the excuses can have a broad range from pin-compatibility to layout-compatibility, and even signal and power integrity.

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If it's not "Greed"- then the other reason should be "Poor socket design" since Intel knew all the processor line up since 6700K and they could make Z170/Z270 compatible, so if somehow Z270 could not support i3 8100 cpu with same pin count- it's very poor planing by Intel engineers.

Pick the reason you like :-).
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Quote: Originally Posted by elina08 View Post
"Intel’s struggle to bring 10nm processors to the market has been well documented. During CES, there was some discussion around Ice Lake but very little was said about the accompanying chipset. We have heard through our industry sources (who will remain anonymous) that Intel is struggling in this area, with the upgrade to PCIe 4.0 being an issue in particular. There is some concern that this will end up causing more delays for Intel’s 10nm launch."

https://www.kitguru.net/components/c...hipset-issues/

Kitguru sounds like they are just making stuff up for clicks.

How could the upgrade to PCI-E 4.0 be an issue? Not only is Intel on the development committee for PCI-Express, but Intel is the one who forced the rest of the committee to submit to their design and features.
Next up, it isnt even a 10nm launch. Intel already has 10nm processors out there, they are just mobile only and very rare. People who think the 2019 10nm processors will be different are just delusional. They are mobile only still. This isnt some grand 10nm launch that any of us will care about.

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