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What's the price?
No idea tbh, they just let us 'pre order' them since we specifically asked about them.

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i'd say $250 max, it would be really ridiculous if its priced anywhere close to RTX2060 FE ($350).

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It's competing at a minimum with a RX 590 (which is power hungry and nothing new) that has a MSRP of $280 , I'd expect nothing less from Nvidia than $280 for the GTX 1660 Ti aftermarket cards. It's kind of ridiculous that a $230 MSRP card two years ago is put on 12nm and called something different for more money, but that's just the state of the GPU market at the moment. Keep in mind unlike the RX 590 it's using 6GB GDDR6 so the smaller memory bus with higher clocked memory will make it even more efficient than GTX 1060 / GTX 1070.


Incidentally if you scale CUDA cores from RTX 2060 (1920 CUDA) down to GTX 1660 Ti (1536 CUDA) levels you obtain a MSRP of $280 as well.



For lower tiered cards (i.e. GTX 1660 or whatever they call it) that are competing with the RX 570 / RX 580 4GB I would expect <$250. The 3GB GDDR5 card is especially baffling if it is produced and the 6GB GDDR5 one will likely be nothing amazing either as CUDA core count should be 1280 CUDA cores, the same as a GTX 1060 right now.



Right now the RX 580 (185W) and RX 570 (150W) are extraordinary value if you put in the work to undervolt them , out of the box they are really overvolted compared to the prior RX 470 (120W) and RX 480 (150W).

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It's competing at a minimum with a RX 590 (which is power hungry and nothing new) that has a MSRP of $280 , I'd expect nothing less from Nvidia than $280 for the GTX 1660 Ti aftermarket cards. It's kind of ridiculous that a $230 MSRP card two years ago is put on 12nm and called something different for more money, but that's just the state of the GPU market at the moment. Keep in mind unlike the RX 590 it's using 6GB GDDR6 so the smaller memory bus with higher clocked memory will make it even more efficient than GTX 1060 / GTX 1070.


Incidentally if you scale CUDA cores from RTX 2060 (1920 CUDA) down to GTX 1660 Ti (1536 CUDA) levels you obtain a MSRP of $280 as well.



For lower tiered cards (i.e. GTX 1660 or whatever they call it) that are competing with the RX 570 / RX 580 4GB I would expect <$250. The 3GB GDDR5 card is especially baffling if it is produced and the 6GB GDDR5 one will likely be nothing amazing either as CUDA core count should be 1280 CUDA cores, the same as a GTX 1060 right now.



Right now the RX 580 (185W) and RX 570 (150W) are extraordinary value if you put in the work to undervolt them , out of the box they are really overvolted compared to the prior RX 470 (120W) and RX 480 (150W).

Agreed. It will be $279 MSRP because they can, because it will be more efficient than the RX 590, and will probably beat it by a few (not many probably) percentage points.

AMD won't be much hurt with this move because the RX 590 is basically a post-crypto RX 580 and RX 570 flusher, by making people look at them again and realise that they are at a good value compared to the RX 590. They are probably hoping that by the time the GTX 1660 non Ti and 1650 arrive they already sold most of the back stock and are closer to launching Navi.


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Agreed. It will be $279 MSRP because they can, because it will be more efficient than the RX 590, and will probably beat it by a few (not many probably) percentage points.

AMD won't be much hurt with this move because the RX 590 is basically a post-crypto RX 580 and RX 570 flusher, by making people look at them again and realise that they are at a good value compared to the RX 590. They are probably hoping that by the time the GTX 1660 non Ti and 1650 arrive they already sold most of the back stock and are closer to launching Navi.
just take note that 590 is overpriced compared to either 580 or 570, not to mention the performance gap between GTX1060 and RX590 is small.
if you're implying that GTX1660Ti would only be 15%~20% faster than GTX1060 then i doubt a price of $280 would make it look good.







lets do some mathematical comparison between Turing and Pascal:
RTX2060 = 1920:120:48 @ 1680Mhz | 192bit GDDR6 @ 336GB/s | relative performance 116.9% (based on TPU)
GTX1070 = 1920:120:64 @ 1683Mhz | 256bit GDDR5 @ 256GB/s | relative performance 100% (based on TPU)
this implies that Turing is approximately 17% faster than Pascal.

now lets apply it to 1660Ti:
GTX1660Ti = 1536:96:48 @ 1770Mhz? | 192bit GDDR6 @ 288GB/s?
GTX1060 = 1280:80:48 @ 1708Mhz | 192bit GDD5 @ 192GB/s

lets ignore the clock speed increase
1536/1280 = +20%
Turing IPC = +17%
1.2 * 1.17 = 1.40 or +40%

then if we apply 40% on top of GTX1060 in that image, we'd see it sit right beside RX Vega 56.
but then, if it really does perform close to Vega 56... the price may as well be $300, no wonder they priced the RTX2060 FE at $350.


in any case, when i posted this, i very much already did the mathematical estimation.


Quote: Originally Posted by epic1337 View Post
my guess:
190% 2060 ≈ 1070Ti ~ 1080
160% 1660Ti ≈ 1070
130% 1660 ≈ RX590
100% 1650 ≈ 1060 3GB


perfectly scaled ❤, now if only they're priced really well... meh.

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Quote: Originally Posted by epic1337 View Post
just take note that 590 is overpriced compared to either 580 or 570, not to mention the performance gap between GTX1060 and RX590 is small.
if you're implying that GTX1660Ti would only be 15%~20% faster than GTX1060 then i doubt a price of $280 would make it look good.







lets do some mathematical comparison between Turing and Pascal:
RTX2060 = 1920:120:48 @ 1680Mhz | 192bit GDDR6 @ 336GB/s | relative performance 116.9% (based on TPU)
GTX1070 = 1920:120:64 @ 1683Mhz | 256bit GDDR5 @ 256GB/s | relative performance 100% (based on TPU)
this implies that Turing is approximately 17% faster than Pascal.

now lets apply it to 1660Ti:
GTX1660Ti = 1536:96:48 @ 1770Mhz? | 192bit GDDR6 @ 288GB/s?
GTX1060 = 1280:80:48 @ 1708Mhz | 192bit GDD5 @ 192GB/s

lets ignore the clock speed increase
1536/1280 = +20%
Turing IPC = +17%
1.2 * 1.17 = 1.40 or +40%

then if we apply 40% on top of GTX1060 in that image, we'd see it sit right beside RX Vega 56.
but then, if it really does perform close to Vega 56... the price may as well be $300, no wonder they priced the RTX2060 FE at $350.


in any case, when i posted this, i very much already did the mathematical estimation.



"just take note that 590 is overpriced compared to either 580 or 570"

That's exactly what I did, in case you didn't notice.

If you think that the 1660 Ti is going to be 40% faster than the 1060, you're in for disappointment, that would put it way too close to the 2060. At best it will be around 27% better, a bit behind a 1070, as AdoredTV predicted a long time ago.



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If you think that the 1660 Ti is going to be 40% faster than the 1060, you're in for disappointment, that would put it way too close to the 2060. At best it will be around 27% better, a bit behind a 1070, as AdoredTV predicted a long time ago.
if its clocked far below 1060 then yes, 27% is reasonable. but even then, it won't be just "a few percent" faster than RX590.

(scaled with RX590 as baseline, see previous image)
2060 = 140%
Vega56 = 127%
1070 = 121%
1660Ti = (90*1.27) = 114%
RX590 = 100%
1060 = 90%

with the performance gap between 1070 and 2060, i'd expect 1660Ti to be at least as fast as 1070.

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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
that would put it way too close to the 2060

how about i say the same to 2060 and 2070? 2070 is a measly 15% faster than 2060, and is a full $250 more expensive (FE vs FE).



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So what I gather is that this 1660 is neither a budget option nor is it a price gouging situation.

I was waiting for the release into the wild in the hopes it would be more promising than it looks on paper. I get the impression I'm going to be better off buying a used 1080 level card and calling it good.


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