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[HardOCP / Windows Central] Windows 10's Live Tiles Dead? Windows Lite Will Reportedly Feature a New Start Menu

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MSPoweruser predicts Windows 10’s Start Menu will be getting redesigned because Windows Lite, Microsoft’s ChromeOS competitor, is getting rid of live tiles in favor of a common, static app launcher. As support continues to decrease from both Microsoft and Windows developers, there doesn’t seem to be much of a reason to keep the current Start Menu around, the core portion of which revolves around live tiles. Windows Central, which broke the news on Windows Lite, is convinced the concept is dead due to lack of updates.
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Except, as it turns out, most people don't need access to those live tiles on desktop. I've seen internal documentation from Microsoft that suggests people aren't really opening the Start menu to look at or customize live tiles. Users prefer pinning everything to the taskbar.
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The reason I bring this up is because I've been speaking to quite a few internal sources about Windows Lite, and it's looking like Windows Lite doesn't even have live tiles. It appears Microsoft is entirely omitting this feature in favor of the more common app launcher with static icons as seen on iOS, Android, and Chrome OS. If Windows Lite launches without live tiles, where is the incentive for developers to continue supporting such a feature on desktop?
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Is Microsoft finally going to drop the idea that they've been stubbornly trying to get people to use for the past 22 years?

This all started back in the Internet Explorer 4 days, in 1997, when they bundled that IE version for Windows 95 with some optional components, one of which was the Active Desktop:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Desktop

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Active Desktop placed a number of "channels" on the user's computer desktop that provided continually-updated information, such as news headlines and stock quotes, without requiring the user to open a Web browser.
It was also shipped with Windows 98 the following year.

For those wondering how it looked like:

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As you can see, it was the perfect playground for, well, ads. What is old is new again, right?

It never gained much traction in either Windows 95 or 98 (nor Me), and after a good period of sanity with Windows XP, where it was available, but not enabled or used, they tried again with Windows Vista, with the Windows Sidebar. Then they made the system more flexible for Windows 7, by not requiring the gadgets to reside in an actual bar, and that was called Windows Desktop Gadgets. And then in 2012, with Windows 7 well under the mainstream support period, dropped support for the feature due to security vulnerabilities and advised people to turn it off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Sidebar


Then they brought the idea back again with the live tiles in Windows 8 and then because it again didn't gain traction, they put them in the Start Menu for Windows 10. And now it's apparently finally going to start to go away. Is Microsoft going to try again or is 22 years of failed attempts enough?

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Old 01-27-2019, 10:45 AM
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Microsoft: We just want you to have information fast and in your face. Why won't you let us omg

It's like going to a shop and the people there attempt to talk you into stuff you don't need when you already know what you came for. Same goes for using the desktop. I already know what I want to do. If I wanted info from a certain app, say Spotify, then I will open Spotify. There's only so much info you can fit into small tiles anyway. Cluster them all together and it just looks like a mess that takes up way too much space. It's just a relief that it can now be disabled/customized in Win10 and I hope it doesn't get more reincarnations in the future.
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The very first thing I do is run O&O to disable all the spying and forced update crap and disable the thing that re-installs bloatware after you delete it, then I reboot and delete all the junk that would have re-installed it's self, then I remove every single live tile so my Start menu goes back to a normal layout without animated garbage all over it. I skipped 8 entirely because they wanted the OS to focus on damn tiles, sadly it's spilled into 10 to some degree...also I hate that they made everything flat! Why is everything so flat?!

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I actually really like the windows 10 start menu, sans the bugs where tiles occasionally like to clump up into each other. Ideally, I'd like a hybrid of the current version which allows tile clustering and the 2016 version which allowed deeper customization of the non-tile section.

Just about everything that would typically be on my desktop in older versions of Windows is now in my start menu. Tucked away when not in use, and far easier to access and more visually appealing than an array of folders (or worse yet, just a pile of icon pooped all over the place). Live tiles for things like weather and calendar are a nice bonus and I don't see any downside to having the OPTION to see some info right away instead of having to open the apps first.

I don't get ads in my start menu (or anywhere else outside of my browser for that matter). I never have. I never really understand why people with any computer knowledge whatsoever constantly harp on about ads in the start menu and file explorer.

At the very worst, if you for some reason choose not to use a cleaned up installer, you might have some links to crapware in your start menu that don't actually install until you attempt to run them, a little banner saying onedrive exists and you can use it in your file explorer, and a one time nag about how wonderful edge is if you try to set a new default browser. All 3 are easily and permanently removed.

The new universal app launcher that is proposed frankly looks awful. Might as well just dump icons on the desktop as is traditional at that point. Pin to taskbar for more than the very most commonly launched items is also quite hideous in my eyes. Suppose its popular among the same crowd that loads 20 toolbars into their install of internet explorer 6.

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I like the weather, news, and calendar live tiles but anything else I couldn't really be bothered with. I'm also the guy that liked that sidebar thing on vista

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