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I think this is the first time ATi/AMD didn't release a card with DirectX's major feature compatibility. I agree with Jensen Huang with the Vega VII being underwhelming. All these DxR cards being releasing and we only have one choice of card. AMD didn't even release drivers for Vega for us to see just how terrible Ray Tracing would be on their cards.
Nvidia lineup is nothing special. Having Vega 64 and 1080 Ti nothing Nvidia has does anything for me. 2080/2070/2060 are all downgrades, 2080 Ti is an overpriced "upgrade". RTX Titan is an overpriced Titian. I think Nvidia should have just released 2080 Ti as an RTX Titan for 1200, for 2080 and under don't even bother with RTX and sell for way less.

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. How on EARTH do you declare the V2 a clear winner below $1000???????????

The funniest part is, the RTX 2080 might be one of the worst cards, in terms of value (outside of flagships), that has hit the market in years. The V2 managed to be even worse.
For some people the AMD logo on the box is reason enough to buy it. And a new PSU, and a wateecooler, and a A/C to survive in the summer.
But hey, they have 16gigs
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I haven't done Firestrike Ultra, but my 2080 does 31K in vanilla Firestrike. It has a conservative OC because this model is severely power limited in the BIOS. I could probably get 32K+ with a flash, seen as it doesn't break 50ºC.

If that 27K score is at stock, the VII will, indeed, match a 2080 when OC'd, which is great news.
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The funniest part is, the RTX 2080 might be one of the worst cards, in terms of value (outside of flagships), that has hit the market in years. The V2 managed to be even worse.
I would not trust this benchmark leak for one simple reason. Combined score in Firestrike is as bad as with my 10 Year old Phenom II. Graphics score looks ok.

Combined scores for FuryX on 1900x are like 6000+, Vega 64 is 7000+, this benchmark is 5000 on Ryzen 7 2700x?

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Nvidia lineup is nothing special. Having Vega 64 and 1080 Ti nothing Nvidia has does anything for me. 2080/2070/2060 are all downgrades, 2080 Ti is an overpriced "upgrade". RTX Titan is an overpriced Titian. I think Nvidia should have just released 2080 Ti as an RTX Titan for 1200, for 2080 and under don't even bother with RTX and sell for way less.
Sure bringing a card that can run DxR titles with significant amount of ray tracing at 40 FPS 1440p isn't impressive. The Titan V and Titan RTX are nothing like the previous titans. The Titan RTX is the cheapest card with large amount of memory that supports memory pooling with decent bandwidth(100GB/s). We just have to wait for more DxR titles to release to see the RTX 20 series performance but so far I'm impressed.

I agree the "RTX On" is a gimmick since it's DxR being enabled and developers are using DxR enhanced libraries just like they did with Tessellation. When going to the graphics settings of Battlefield V it clearly says Enabled DxR Yes/No

nVidia cards actually have a working primitive shader(Turing Mesh Shader) with API support and an incredible demo. nVidia's Tensor cores crush AMD's FP16 performance even when talking about gaming (RPM.)

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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
I think this is the first time ATi/AMD didn't release a card with DirectX's major feature compatibility. I agree with Jensen Huang with the Vega VII being underwhelming. All these DxR cards being releasing and we only have one choice of card. AMD didn't even release drivers for Vega for us to see just how terrible Ray Tracing would be on their cards.

No, back in the X800 series days AMD (ATi at the time) was competing with a great series of DirectX 9.0b graphics cards, while Nvidia had the GeForce 6 series, which was the first with DirectX 9.0c support. ATi did just fine. And if the rumours are true, Nvidia is about to prove to the market that ray tracing isn't ready for the mainstream market yet, by releasing brand new Turing arch based sub $300 cards that don't have ray tracing capabilities.


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No, back in the X800 series days AMD (ATi at the time) was competing with a great series of DirectX 9.0b graphics cards, while Nvidia had the GeForce 6 series, which was the first with DirectX 9.0c support. ATi did just fine. And if the rumours are true, Nvidia is about to prove to the market that ray tracing isn't ready for the mainstream market yet, by releasing brand new Turing arch based sub $300 cards that don't have ray tracing capabilities.
In all fairness, I did have to retire an x800pro early due to lack of 9.0c support and replaced it with an x1950pro. Still have both cards working today in AGP systems because why not. That said, I also hold on to cards longer than most and your statement stands.


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Sure bringing a card that can run DxR titles with significant amount of ray tracing at 40 FPS 1440p isn't impressive. The Titan V and Titan RTX are nothing like the previous titans. The Titan RTX is the cheapest card with large amount of memory that supports memory pooling with decent bandwidth(100GB/s). We just have to wait for more DxR titles to release to see the RTX 20 series performance but so far I'm impressed.

I agree the "RTX On" is a gimmick since it's DxR being enabled and developers are using DxR enhanced libraries just like they did with Tessellation. When going to the graphics settings of Battlefield V it clearly says Enabled DxR Yes/No

nVidia cards actually have a working primitive shader(Turing Mesh Shader) with API support and an incredible demo. nVidia's Tensor cores crush AMD's FP16 performance even when talking about gaming (RPM.)
I understand the benefits of RT and Tensor Cores. I just do not think its the right direction right now. All these years Nvidia holding back gaming with outdated DX11 GPUs and now suddenly they are pushing in all front and expect everything and everyone to adjust and pay for it.

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The titan RTX isn't 20%+ faster than the 2080ti lol. The numbers don't seem legit. There's a huge disparity between the 2080ti and the titan rtx numbers.
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I understand the benefits of RT and Tensor Cores. I just do not think its the right direction right now. All these years Nvidia holding back gaming with outdated DX11 GPUs and now suddenly they are pushing in all front and expect everything and everyone to adjust and pay for it.
I don't see how they were holding back gaming when Maxwell was impressive followed by Pascal which was amazing. Too amazing, it took AMD a few months shy of 2 years to compete with the GTX 1080 Ti which also needed a node shrink. Pascal improved on Async compute and the most notable DirectX 12 change was Multi Core performance. Just like every other DirectX release nVidia releases dedicated hardware to be used for the task. AMD and nVidia released cards with Tessellation Units dedicated for DirectX 11. The 400 series did much better than the 5870 at Tessellation. The Fury X did much better than the GTX 980 Ti at Async. nVidia released RT cores for DxR(November 13, 2018 with the re-release of 1809) and it doesn't seem like AMD will be releasing hardware this year to utilize DxR. People can say that we aren't ready for Ray Tracing but they keep missing that Hybrid Ray Tracing has been worked on since 2008 not everything has to be ray traced. If two cards were affordable no one would be saying we aren't ready for ray tracing because two of any RTX 20 series cards will present playable performance with DxR enabled.

AMD is focused on making money and the high-end isn't where money is made. High end gaming cards R&D is way too high and gamers require large improvements year after year. Silicon is reaching it's limits and it's costing much more than before to get large improvements.

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My personal Vega 64 @ 1715/1150, on air mind you.

I kinda hope Vega 7 will hit this @ stock and have at least some headroom, sorta makes me sad seeing this

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