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Old 02-07-2019, 05:26 PM
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3 or more high performance cards released on last 6 months landed on similar or same FPS.

When this happenned last time, people were sure that there is sort of bottlenecking problem on CPU. How can we know it not the case now?

By looking at 1080p vs 1440p vs 4K benchmarks.


The three releases in the last 6 months weren't from AMD, only one was from AMD and they're pretty much impossible to buy. Not to mention the 2070 (I think that's one of the three you're talking about) only "competes" with the 1080Ti, 2080 and Radeon VII at 1080p. There's a very clear difference between the 1080Ti vs 2070 vs 2080 vs Radeon VII at 1440p and above.

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By looking at 1080p vs 1440p vs 4K benchmarks.


The three releases in the last 6 months weren't from AMD, only one was from AMD and they're pretty much impossible to buy. Not to mention the 2070 (I think that's one of the three you're talking about) only "competes" with the 1080Ti, 2080 and Radeon VII at 1080p. There's a very clear difference between the 1080Ti vs 2070 vs 2080 vs Radeon VII at 1440p and above.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923...n-vii-review/9

High quality in Wolfenstein II at 4k...

Now... My 4k monitor has 60Hz, now i have FuryX... According to this, it really does not matter to me which card to pick except for FuryX i have now.

But even aside from that, i am getting impression that there is another limiting factor...

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923...n-vii-review/9

High quality in Wolfenstein II at 4k...

Now... My 4k monitor has 60Hz, now i have FuryX... According to this, it really does not matter to me which card to pick except for FuryX i have now.

But even aside from that, i am getting impression that there is another limiting factor...

Yes, the refresh rate of the monitor.





There is a very big difference there between the 2070, 2080 and everything inbetween.


If you're trying to say it's the CPU that's the limiting factor here, I highly doubt it. The test rig they used for that has a 7920X. One of the best consumer CPUs up until the 9900K. And there's not that much of a difference between the two CPUs.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare...00K/3038vs3334

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Old 02-08-2019, 01:33 AM
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Yes, the refresh rate of the monitor.





There is a very big difference there between the 2070, 2080 and everything inbetween.


If you're trying to say it's the CPU that's the limiting factor here, I highly doubt it. The test rig they used for that has a 7920X. One of the best consumer CPUs up until the 9900K. And there's not that much of a difference between the two CPUs.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare...00K/3038vs3334
Its 14 milisecond vs 11 milisecond frametime. Making a proper frame profiling on these cards (as from the times when Mantle was released) would be great to see where the rendering takes those 3 extra mliseconds.

If it would be after Draw call, i concede my point. If it will be somewhere else, i wonder whats wrong.

Edit: btw argument "Get 2070 instead of Radeon VII because it will have same performance"...
It would not matter to me because of 16,6ms threshold at 4k (If speaking of Wolfenstein II). But i quite often see the argument for marginally higher FPS as a valid argument to have more expensive card. For the same reason a typical nvidia fanboy would pick RTX 2080 over Radeon VII... however price tag on each of these is bit too much for me.

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I love this on-going fetish for anything AMD to be doom and gloom when it comes to graphics.

The only useful thing the internet seems to do for tech is provide benchmarks. Communities and online hubs are becoming such cesspools.
Couldnt agree more!! Everyone seems like they need something to be angry about
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I got 3 this morning. 1 form AMD direct, 2 from newegg. Was in stock for a few mins. 1 was for a friend, and 2 for myself. Then i read and found out there's no xfire support? lol.
Depending on how close you are to your friends will determine which you keep the AMD versions have a much worse warranty.


https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/fa...ii-sold-by-amd

1 year warranty, no shipping included both ways and highly restrictive for mod support. Also warranty only covers original owners and is none transferable.

AMD should have been upfront about this and not have the warranty buried.
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Depending on how close you are to your friends will determine which you keep the AMD versions have a much worse warranty.


https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/fa...ii-sold-by-amd

1 year warranty, no shipping included both ways and highly restrictive for mod support. Also warranty only covers original owners and is none transferable.

AMD should have been upfront about this and not have the warranty buried.
Yeah thats ridiculous. AMD is going baCK.
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Yeah thats ridiculous. AMD is going baCK.
The worst thing it's really hard to find the warranty terms. It's nowhere on the product page.

Look under tabs for support and warranty information and it is not there.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/wa...ation/warranty

Clicking here only gets you information on RMA and not warranty terms.

https://shop.amd.com/store?Action=Di...oppingCartPage

You have to scroll down to near the bottom of the page and it's hidden under the online store help center and click 3 more links past this to find it.

Most people are going to click the checkout button and put their address and payment info and miss it like yourself.

Considering this is the worst warranty in the industry bar none, customers have a right to know upfront. The number of terms and the number of scenarios AMD specified basically allows them to void the warranty under basically all circumstances because they specify the judgement is at their discretion and list of everything possible scenario including some ridiculous ones.

Unlike the Frontier editions launch where this wasn't much demand at launch, this has the potential to effects thousands since AMD.com is the only website with stock readily available.

AMD needs to meet industry standards here at the very least, not set records for worst warranty for a videocard.

The terribleness of this warranty, the fact that only AMD.com has readily available stock and on top of the warranty terms being hidden make this a very anti consumer move that Nvidia could not get away with. This is a blunder on their part and they cannot blame the competition.
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I didn't realize people actually cared about warranties for products like this. I guess it's a smart thing to pay attention to but I'm pretty sure I void them once I start tearing the card apart.

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