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that bezel sucks

why can't they use nvidia? I want a 2060 in there atleast.

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The base 13" is still packing a dual core Intel CPU right now so an upgrade is overdue... 2.3GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 , although the 13" with touchbar has a quad-core
https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

The 13" touchbar one could have packed a Ryzen mobile chip if it didn't have Thunderbolt but the use of Thunderbolt legitimizes the use of Intel CPU.

The 15" with hexcore I don't understand unless you buy the Vega 16 option , Radeon Pro 560X is rather weak as it is basically GTX 1050 level. Thunderbolt on the 13" one with eGPU when you need extra GPU power is a better fitting option than a weaker than GTX 1050 GPU , unless you truly need a hexcore.


The 16" one is supposed to pack the 9th gen Intel chips , which use more power. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec.../#6db12f711de5

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Quote: Originally Posted by dieanotherday View Post
that bezel sucks

why can't they use nvidia? I want a 2060 in there atleast.
Price.

In 2016 apple switched from nvidia to amd for several reasons.
First is the price, as AMD offered lower prices, second is wanting to do uniform systems, mainly because the 2013 mac pro used AMD pro specially made cards, and apple wanted the same drivers across the board, and mostly, because I expect AMD were more willing and wanted less price to make custom made boards and systems than what nvidia offered, and I expect their relationship contract is a long term one.

I guess in a few years or so, when apple contract expires, they will check with nvidia the price again.

This is a similar reason why the consoles are running AMD. AMD outbid nvidia pretty aggressively, offering a much lower price point for custom made processors (and the fact that in 2009 they stopped making any X86 equivalent chipsets and dropped the license, so they couldn't make a cheaper partnership than AMD's whole solution).

It makes more sense for apple to fully move to AMD for CPUs and GPUs, but most likely considering AMD's equivalent takes more power and apple/intel close relationship, that won't happen for a bit more at least.

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The 13" touchbar one could have packed a Ryzen mobile chip if it didn't have Thunderbolt but the use of Thunderbolt legitimizes the use of Intel CPU.
Intel made thunderbolt standard free, so an apple/amd and use of third party TB3 chip (since intel support it internally), is a possibility. Theoretically.



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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Price.

In 2016 apple switched from nvidia to amd for several reasons.
First is the price, as AMD offered lower prices, second is wanting to do uniform systems, mainly because the 2013 mac pro used AMD pro specially made cards, and apple wanted the same drivers across the board, and mostly, because I expect AMD were more willing and wanted less price to make custom made boards and systems than what nvidia offered, and I expect their relationship contract is a long term one.

I guess in a few years or so, when apple contract expires, they will check with nvidia the price again.

This is a similar reason why the consoles are running AMD. AMD outbid nvidia pretty aggressively, offering a much lower price point for custom made processors (and the fact that in 2009 they stopped making any X86 equivalent chipsets and dropped the license, so they couldn't make a cheaper partnership than AMD's whole solution).

It makes more sense for apple to fully move to AMD for CPUs and GPUs, but most likely considering AMD's equivalent takes more power and apple/intel close relationship, that won't happen for a bit more at least.



Intel made thunderbolt standard free, so an apple/amd and use of third party TB3 chip (since intel support it internally), is a possibility. Theoretically.

I'm thinking the Apple "Metal" driver could also be important for the change from Nvidia to AMD. Apple wanted to be able to write their own low-level graphics driver and perhaps AMD is more open about how their GPUs work internally, there's open-source Linux drivers as an example. Maybe Nvidia is too secretive to support anyone else writing something like a Metal driver.

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Nope... I was wrong. I just tried looking up what cards Apple supports in OS X for their old Mac Pro machines (where you could still install normal PCIe cards), and they do support a bunch of Nvidia cards with a Metal driver.

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Quote: Originally Posted by deepor View Post
I'm thinking the Apple "Metal" driver could also be important for the change from Nvidia to AMD. Apple wanted to be able to write their own low-level graphics driver and perhaps AMD is more open about how their GPUs work internally, there's open-source Linux drivers as an example. Maybe Nvidia is too secretive to support anyone else writing something like a Metal driver.

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Nope... I was wrong. I just tried looking up what cards Apple supports in OS X for their old Mac Pro machines (where you could still install normal PCIe cards), and they do support a bunch of Nvidia cards with a Metal driver.
Problem with nvidia support is not metal not supporting nvidia, but apple approving nvidia drivers.

Nvidia had to wait until 10.13.4 for apple to approve nvidia drivers, and in 10.14 they don't support nvidia above the old MacBook pros and a few select cards.
There is a bitter history between nvidia and apple about drivers.

In 10.13.4 you could run eGPU with nvidia card and official drivers without any problems. They worked really well. You could run a mac connected to gtx 10 series and it would run just fine.
In 10.14 apple hadn't approve nvidia drivers, so you can't use them.


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that bezel sucks

why can't they use nvidia? I want a 2060 in there atleast.
Well, you cant have 2 greedy players in the same products. With AMD Apple can probably get away with more and working relationships are very important. From what I am told, more companies do not like working with Nvidia. AMD in the other hand its a much better experience.

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why can't they use nvidia? I want a 2060 in there atleast.
Apple will never go back to Nvidia, you know that...

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