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post #11 of 81 (permalink) Old 02-24-2019, 03:40 PM
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I don't have see a problem with this so long as we get massive improvements in performance.

apple cares about performance per watt more than actual performance

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Well, I am kinda interested in seeing Apple going with ARM. Apple is probably the only company capable of making ARM relevant outside of smartphone for client devices.

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The apple ecosystem is already so limited, this won't really change much. Infact they'll probably have way more apps available by just porting the ios store.

We all know that apple will not pass the savings of using ARM ont consumers however. Apple is the king of greed. People should avoid apple as much as possible.

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This is truly bad...they probably won't run Windows programs anytime soon.
AMD has 7nm Ryzen with great performance/power ratio...I wonder why Apple wants to reinvent the heart of PC hardware.
Tablets are far from replacing computers...at least not yet. There are too many things we rely everyday on PC that tablet cannot replace.
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I doubt this will happen. If Apple switches to a whole new architecture then app compatibility is going to become a nightmare and severely fragment the ecosystem... for what gain?

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This is truly bad...they probably won't run Windows programs anytime soon.
AMD has 7nm Ryzen with great performance/power ratio...I wonder why Apple wants to reinvent the heart of PC hardware.
Tablets are far from replacing computers...at least not yet. There are too many things we rely everyday on PC that tablet cannot replace.
There is no rule that states only x86 architectures can support desktop applications. The problem with ARM has always been that x86 software can't work on it. But most of Apple's biggest desktop apps are in-house designed so they will be able to optimize all of their first-party software on ARM no problem. The issue will be with Windows-compatible applications, legacy apps, etc.

Look at the iPad Pro and its A12X Bionic SoC for instance. The hardware is INSANELY powerful and is EASILY able to rival the performance of comparable Intel setups. The problem with using the iPad Pro as a laptop-replacement, however, is simply iOS and its locked-down nature. Slap a robust file system into it, add support for typical desktop peripherals (such as mice etc), and you can better believe the iPad Pro could absolutely serve as a laptop replacement (at least insofar as a Macbook goes). Apple has built their own Mac ecosystem for decades now and has never depended on compatibility with Windows apps, so I see no issues with them ditching x86 and switching to their own in-house processors moving forward, provided they can continue to provide satisfactory (or hopefully improved) performance of their own Mac software on ARM. (I do realize that this move to ARM would severely limit the already spotty at best support for PC games on the Mac, as well as negating the dual-boot option with Windows)

This is actually kind of exciting news for me as I just bought a new iPad Pro 11" last week and I am absolutely in love with it. The power of that A12X chip really is something special; its just that Apple has intentionally walled-off a lot of its capabilities in iOS to make sure that the iPad doesn't encroach into Mac territory. But if they are going this route, perhaps those walls will start coming down and we might see an actual file system and mouse support on the new iPad Pros in future...


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Well I'd say MacBook sales took off only after switching to Intel processors and added bootcamp support for Windows.
Not saying there aren't market for 100% Mac OS/iOS users, but I doubt many of those people will buy another Mac once Apple cuts that compatibility with Windows PC.
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I expect apple to include an ARM chip, maybe their bionic chip, inside the next gen laptops. That way they can run everything an iPhone or iPad can run seamlessly.
But for the pure performance, what people use their laptops today as a windows rival, I'm not sure apple will ditch that. It makes a bit chunk of the laptop sales. Even being able to run bootcamp is very helpful


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There is no rule that states only x86 architectures can support desktop applications. The problem with ARM has always been that x86 software can't work on it. But most of Apple's biggest desktop apps are in-house designed so they will be able to optimize all of their first-party software on ARM no problem. The issue will be with Windows-compatible applications, legacy apps, etc.
The purpose of mac is to have a unix development environment but with a decent GUI. Most unix systems use x86, but if apple switches to ARM, you couldn't even test out code developed for x86 instruction sets.

If apple does this, they will probably offer two lines of macs, one with x86 and one with ARM.

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apple cares about performance per watt more than actual performance

Then why have they been using AMD as an exclusive graphics partner for the last little while? NVidia clearly has them beat in that department.

What apple REALLY cares about is how much markup they can apply to each individual component they put in their machines.

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