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post #61 of 81 (permalink) Old 03-01-2019, 02:27 PM
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Considering how fast Bionic X11/X12 is I understand them, I don't believe they will use them in Pro models tho

My iPhone XS beats i5-3570K @ 4.4 GHz in Geekbench (an old test pc).

Did you test in geekbench 4.1? the earlier versions of geekbench are actually pretty crap benchmarks divorced from any real workloads, since it was so easy for vendors to tailor to the tests to artificially inflate their scores.
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When apple switched from the G5 Power PC chip to the Intel Core Duo, the Intel chip could run powerpc apps at nearly the same speed as those G5 chips. Only the G5's in the mac pro's running high clock speeds and eating power for breakfast would run old powerpc apps faster. By the time Core2Duos came along, and we started seeing higher clock speeds and even Core2Quads. Those old Power chips were long obsolete. Power PC had nothing in the future lineup that would compete with Intel for a very long time.
What about IBM's Power 9?

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledg...ER9welcome.htm

The Power9 competes directly with Intel’s highest performance Xeon Scalable Processors (SP) but offers up to twice the performance per core and just shy of twice the memory bandwidth performance, making it the perfect choice for performance-hungry, scale-up applications. IBM is leveraging this performance in two new servers, the E950 and E980, offering up to 48 cores and 16TB of memory or 192 cores and 64TB of memory, respectively. Additionally, the E950 comes in a 4U chassis with 10 PCIe Gen4 expansion slots and the E980 comes in a 5U chassis paired with a 2U system controller with support for up to 4 nodes and up to 32 PCIe Gen 4 expansion slots.

OCP designs are particularly popular with hardware technologists at financial organizations, many of which use Power chips in high-end servers. The Power9 chip will also be used in a 200-petaflop supercomputer called Summit, scheduled to be deployed in 2018 by U.S. Department of Energy at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
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What about IBM's Power 9?

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledg...ER9welcome.htm

The Power9 competes directly with Intel’s highest performance Xeon Scalable Processors (SP) but offers up to twice the performance per core and just shy of twice the memory bandwidth performance, making it the perfect choice for performance-hungry, scale-up applications. IBM is leveraging this performance in two new servers, the E950 and E980, offering up to 48 cores and 16TB of memory or 192 cores and 64TB of memory, respectively. Additionally, the E950 comes in a 4U chassis with 10 PCIe Gen4 expansion slots and the E980 comes in a 5U chassis paired with a 2U system controller with support for up to 4 nodes and up to 32 PCIe Gen 4 expansion slots.

OCP designs are particularly popular with hardware technologists at financial organizations, many of which use Power chips in high-end servers. The Power9 chip will also be used in a 200-petaflop supercomputer called Summit, scheduled to be deployed in 2018 by U.S. Department of Energy at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
My guess is IBM isn't anywhere near capable of producing the amounts necessary for consumer products. Remember that includes chipsets and all the accompanying hardware as well. Furthermore, POWER9 hasn't been engineered to be viable in low-power conditions, they're only meant as Xeon competitors, and as such they're also exclusively designed around highly scaleable server workloads. Lastly, there are very few programmers and engineers familiar with the architecture, relatively speaking, and of these, even fewer would be acquainted with designing and developing consumer software. It's like asking a manufacturer of bucket-wheel extractors to produce a compact car, to make a rough analogy. Could they somehow do it if they really wanted to? Probably yes, but the retooling and reorientation involved would be huge. And even then, who's guaranteed to buy it?
IBM withdrew from the consumer-grade CPU market a long time ago and they're not looking to get back in.

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So with USB4 APPLE could switch to AMD for the new Mac Pro?
It's going to we fun to watch AMD stock after such announcement if it happens :-).
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Want to run Photoshop? Doesn't work on ARM.
Yet.

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Want to run full-blood Office? Doesn't work on ARM.
Yet.

The Apple Cult is nothing if not persistent and somehow capable of punching way above it's weight class in regards to productivity software and creative suites. Adobe especially will go to wherever Apple lives and do whatever Apple wants. ARM is a serious contender for future enterprise use especially in the datacenter market. Bottom line, big tech wants to go ARM for the power/cost savings. Big Tech also wants absolutely everything on the cloud which it controls so I really wouldn't be surprised to find in the future all of this software going through a browser which can run on ARM when coupled with a 5G connection.

Desktop computers are for people that LIKE computers. Laptops, tablets, and cell phones are for normies that think of a computer as an appliance. There is still room in the world for both to overlap, but not for that much longer. Maybe a decade. Maybe two.

In other words, Apple is basically giving up even trying to pretend to offer a true competitor to Windows. You're basically going to be getting a giant folding cell phone with a keyboard and a big screen.

Expect all the accessories to be bluetooth only, and the laptop itself to be $2000. And badly engineered so that they break within three years and require complete replacement. And expect idiots/cultists to still keep lining up at the Apple Stores to do this.

I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.

If it's not coming out for the PC, it's dead to me.

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So they're back to using RISC full time. They went full circle.
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What about IBM's Power 9?

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledg...ER9welcome.htm

The Power9 competes directly with Intel’s highest performance Xeon Scalable Processors (SP) but offers up to twice the performance per core and just shy of twice the memory bandwidth performance, making it the perfect choice for performance-hungry, scale-up applications. IBM is leveraging this performance in two new servers, the E950 and E980, offering up to 48 cores and 16TB of memory or 192 cores and 64TB of memory, respectively. Additionally, the E950 comes in a 4U chassis with 10 PCIe Gen4 expansion slots and the E980 comes in a 5U chassis paired with a 2U system controller with support for up to 4 nodes and up to 32 PCIe Gen 4 expansion slots.

OCP designs are particularly popular with hardware technologists at financial organizations, many of which use Power chips in high-end servers. The Power9 chip will also be used in a 200-petaflop supercomputer called Summit, scheduled to be deployed in 2018 by U.S. Department of Energy at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
IBM chips cost a lot more than the already ridiculously expensive intel chips.

They are using them for their own hardware, or for heavy duty servers only. They are also very specialised to some extent, and for apple to move to those again, they will need to do a lot of changes to their OS in order to support power chips again.

Those chips are also hot. Ridiculously hot and power hungry.

I don't see a collaboration between apple and ibm for a system based on those chips any time soon.


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Intel officials and developers have reportedly told Axios that Apple is preparing to launch Arm-based Macbooks next year. The report follows a story from Bloomberg Wednesday saying that Apple plans on combining iOS and macOS applications by 2021.
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I wonder if the Mac Pro will go back to using POWER CPUs.
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Want to run Photoshop? Doesn't work on ARM.
Want to run full-blood Office? Doesn't work on ARM.
Want to run pretty much anything you would chose a PC over a tablet for? Doesn't work on ARM.
There is an office version that runs on apple iPad that is very close (and getting closer every release) to a full mac/pc version.
Adobe are pushing their photoshop mobile app to be very close to the desktop version. The real constraint according to adobe, is the user interface. It is not like you can do anything with your finger on a small screen. If put on a desktop, and powerful enough ARM chip, they could put more into it.

You also forget that mobile market is bigger than PC market. More than twice its size.


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Winter is not coming, it is already here. People who still doubt ARM desktops/laptop are going to eat crows.
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