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post #31 of 78 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 02:04 AM
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Just like their current Radeon VII, I don't believe we'll see anything special from Zen on 7nm compared to Intel's next 14nm refresh.

If you compare VII to vega 64, I expect zen at 7nm (while might not be full 7nm just like the VII isn't full 7nm), to at least increase in speed on the same specs, allowing them to come closer to closing the gap on CPU frequency.

Once that happens, intel will need to start increase the IPC over just increasing the CPU frequency. Even with better 14+++++++, they will start to hit a wall, and that is where they need 10nm to gain speed, or better manufacturing process (like stacks they plan), to gain better IPC.

If progress wise AMD keep the same pace, in a year or two, they will catch intel, and after that, gain on them.
I'm sure intel aren't sitting idle, but for people to start buying, they need to give us a reason to.


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what? not the channels?

well the lanes are meaningless if just running single GPU and 3 nvme drives.... especially when my mobo is only ITX. do like having the 10 core and 64Gb ram though but not when pleb sockets gets to enjoy the same amount of cores for far less dosh.
Storage is getting extremely cheap and games are much getting larger. Even sitting around with 2tb nvmes and ssds cuts into pch lanes and pcie lanes real quick. I recently got rid of 2 x299 rigs and replaced with 2 9900k setups. Those rigs no longer needed such a high core count. However, with like 4 ish nvmes going into each not including sata I can see maintaining one x16 for a gpu being difficult. Really need more lanes on mainstream.
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If you compare VII to vega 64, I expect zen at 7nm (while might not be full 7nm just like the VII isn't full 7nm), to at least increase in speed on the same specs, allowing them to come closer to closing the gap on CPU frequency.

Once that happens, intel will need to start increase the IPC over just increasing the CPU frequency. Even with better 14+++++++, they will start to hit a wall, and that is where they need 10nm to gain speed, or better manufacturing process (like stacks they plan), to gain better IPC.

If progress wise AMD keep the same pace, in a year or two, they will catch intel, and after that, gain on them.
I'm sure intel aren't sitting idle, but for people to start buying, they need to give us a reason to.
I think everyone forgot in 2016 Intel announced to switch it's focus from performance to power efficiency to create new form factors. Intel was able to reduce power consumption by 2w while doubling the amount of cores and increasing the frequency by 200Mhz(Comparing a stock 6700k(4.0Ghz, 100w Prime95) with MCE disabled vs a 9900k(4.2Ghz, 98w Prime95) with MCE disabled)

While a 2700x uses 114w at stock and up to 140w(Prime95) with XFR when the CPU hits 4Ghz. I'd love to see AMD suddenly concur Intel but I just see another repeat of the K8 architecture. Especially since AMD released Zen close to the end of the life of the Core architecture. The difference this time around is that consumers have enough CPU power and it's cheaper to buy AMD. Thankfully AMD focused on security with Zen since Intel is having a heck of a time with vulnerabilities issues. I have a few servers I need to refresh and I'm waiting on Rome and Cascade Lake to decide which to upgrade to. Cascade Lake just keeps getting delayed due to the vulnerabilities.

The Core series is ancient, we've seen the roadmap and leaks of the 11th generation which promises an IPC increase. Ocean Cove will be out in 2021 and that will definitely be a decent increase over the 11th generation Core architecture. I'm curious what more AMD can pull out of Zen since so far it looks like IPC is on par with a 9900k which indicates another 3% IPC increase from Zen+ to Zen 2 unless some how AMD made Zen 2 less efficient while beefing up single threaded performance by a ridiculous amount.

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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post

The Core series is ancient, we've seen the roadmap and leaks of the 11th generation which promises an IPC increase. Ocean Cove will be out in 2021 and that will definitely be a decent increase over the 11th generation Core architecture. I'm curious what more AMD can pull out of Zen since so far it looks like IPC is on par with a 9900k which indicates another 3% IPC increase from Zen+ to Zen 2 unless some how AMD made Zen 2 less efficient while beefing up single threaded performance by a ridiculous amount.

Since when Zen+ is just 3% IPC from 9900K? And since when the IPC of Zen 2 matches 9900K. Where is the source which indicate the clock speed of Zen 2 that is being demo is also clocked at 5GHz?

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So it'll run hotter than the 9900k... nice. Watch it get annihilated in both price and power draw and performance matched by the newer Ryzen line.

Price and power maybe.

But be honest with yourself. AMD hasn't touched intel in the performance dept for nearly 15 years.

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Price and power maybe.

But be honest with yourself. AMD hasn't touched Intel in the performance dept for nearly 15 years.
Is that a fair assessment? What about the 2700x and 8700k? I would say that the 2700x touched the 8700k all over, and touched it a lot. If they were humans instead of processors it would have been considered molestation.

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Is that a fair assessment? What about the 2700x and 8700k? I would say that the 2700x touched the 8700k all over, and touched it a lot. If they were humans instead of processors it would have been considered molestation.
Don't be silly...gaming performance is the only consideration here and if Intel gets you 140fps while AMD's getting 130fps at 1080p that's the only metric we should use and Intel is clearly much gooder.
Seriously though if you're one of the many 1440p/144hz guys (like me) with a V56+ or 1070+ you'd be hard pressed to notice much difference. Intel has a clockspeed advantage and a more mature process and chipset which enables better ram compatibility but even the last part has come a long way.
If you're gaming at 4k the difference is almost nothing.

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Since when Zen+ is just 3% IPC from 9900K? And since when the IPC of Zen 2 matches 9900K. Where is the source which indicate the clock speed of Zen 2 that is being demo is also clocked at 5GHz?
Since Intel hasn't increased IPC since the 6700k, it's almost been 4 years that Intel has had the same IPC. Zen when it first came out had close to Broadwell IPC. Since a 133w chip on 7nm matches a 9900k @ 4.7Ghz using 180w in Cinebench. That demo at CES was using a 9900k @ either 4.6Ghz or 4.7Ghz since it didn't score 2150+ and it wasn't using over 200w. I estimate a 20% decrease in power usage, I do not expect magical gains from an architecture that was pretty much optimized to it's limits before launch.

This has been Intel's IPC increase for the previous Core architectures:

Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge: Average ~5.8% Up
Ivy Bridge to Haswell: Average ~11.2% Up
Haswell to Broadwell: Average ~3.3% Up
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Price and power maybe.

But be honest with yourself. AMD hasn't touched intel in the performance dept for nearly 15 years.
This is untrue in so, so many ways.

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will this new 10 core part drop into z390 boards I wonder? Im guessing in normal intel fashion no, but maybe all AMD competition and intel trying to turn over a new leaf, maybe just maybe this will change(insanely wishful thinking)


I would gladly take 2 extra cores of a 10 core part over my 9900k if all I had to do was just drop it into my z390 board. 2 more core be nice for encoding purposes. Im not willing to do a whole new mobo though.
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