Originally Posted by reqq
Ok so only waiting for asrock pricing now. Unfortunately i think taichi will cost like msi ace.
Taichi is probably going to be ~$260-300 I think (in line with Prime Pro / STRIX / Aorus Pro or Ultra). The things they physically changed that I can spot are the covering over the M.2s , PCIE 4.0, wifi 6, backplate (don't know if it is thermal or just aesthetic), retained power/reset button on the base Taichi, and 50A DrMOs instead of 40A TI NexFET.
X470 Taichi Ultimate was $300ish but dropped to ~ $250.
MSI Ace is supposedly 429 Euro but computerbase didn't mention if it was with VAT. If it was with VAT it makes more sense since 20% VAT for Germany would mean ~ $360 base price which is what the Crosshair VIII Hero and Aorus Master are rumored to be around.
= $400-450ish (it has Thunderbolt 3 + 10G LAN) , there's cost savings from less RGB , reused VRM, and dropping the flashy shrouds + IO cover otherwise I'd think probably be $500+
---> top board that isn't the $999 Aqua that is limited run of 999 boards
--> Unless Asrock is feeling extremely generous with pricing I doubt it is cheaper than $400 as X470 Taichi Ultimate with 10G LAN was ~ $300 and the z390 Taichi Ultimate was ~$300 without Thunderbolt
---> worst case is likely $550 in line with the rumored MSI Creation which has more phases and more USB ports (once again if the price was including VAT it would be ~ $450 base)
X570 Phantom Gaming X
= $280-330ish (2.5G LAN added to x570 Taichi more or less , this typically has a "gamer" premium for no reason I think because Phantom Gaming has a separate marketing budget possibly shared with their AMD GPU division)
---> Gamer-styled Taichi with 2.5G LAN , competes mainly with STRIX line
= $260-300 (Taichi Ultimate + $50 minus 10G LAN , or Taichi + $50 for PCIE 4.0 as baseline) , would be surprised if it is <$250 as it's at least as good as a Prime X570 Pro and that backplate costs money and so do the buttons and coverings
--> X399 Taichi = $330 MSRP
X570 Phantom ITX
= $250-350 --- much R&D went into this and it shows (even going as far as using LGA1151 mount), also it has ThunderBolt3 and 8x powerstages so it's midrange level at the least in terms of pricepoint
---> Z390 Phantom ITX was $190 amazingly but that used five $7 ISL99227B Powerstages
X570 Steel Legend
= $180ish (see TUF / Aorus Elite / MSI Edge) , basically drops heatpipe, drops debug LED , loses power/reset, loses 4 additional VCORE powerstages from the Taichi (8 vs 12) , also drops backplate obviously
--> Still retains ALC1220 and Intel LAN so I could see this initially priced above TUF despite 4 fewer powerstages if they're gutsy
= ~$170-180 (see TUF) --- mainstream offering per Asrock slides
--> it's below Steel Legend in the product stack so it's going to be within $10-20 as there isn't any "phantom gaming" marketing budget involved , for example Phantom Gaming 6 isn't usually discounted as heavily as Extreme4
(their midrange boards are likely to be oriented to Ryzen 7 CPUs / octocores)
X570 Phantom Gaming 4
= $150-170? --- budget offering per Asrock slides ; drops USB-C output , B450 level VRM although retains Intel LAN + ALC1220
= $150-170? --- this is their budget offering per Asrock slides ; B450 level VRM and not much that is special other than the PCIE 4.0 upgrade , amazingly still retains Intel LAN + ALC1220
(these budget boards are only meant for Ryzen 5 CPUs)