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Idk AMD currently has those segments won in terms of p/p. Nvidia dropped the ball trying to raise the price point of their low/mid end and Intel just isn't offing anything attractive when compared to Zen low-mid end.
I was thinking more along the lines of GPU. It seems like the 4, 6, and 8 core CPU's should launch at the same time.

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Maybe we get another surprise. If Navi is the successor to polar + node shrink, why would AMD limit to low & mid tier cards? If we assume V7 is highend, then there is a slot for ultra highend, aka Ti competitor. Unless AMD wants to keep that ace of spade up their sleeves.

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If Navi is still GCN I'm not too hyped. Zen 2 however, yep.

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Maybe we get another surprise. If Navi is the successor to polar + node shrink, why would AMD limit to low & mid tier cards? If we assume V7 is highend, then there is a slot for ultra highend, aka Ti competitor. Unless AMD wants to keep that ace of spade up their sleeves.
I'm not saying they won't have a competitor at the high end, I just don't think it will be announced before or at the same time as the mid range cards.

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I wonder why AMD is not releasing the high end Navi 20 first before the low end as historically high end cards have been released first.

It may have to do with getting ray tracing finalized for the high end segments.

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Maybe the RVII is the high end of what they will be releasing this year.

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I wonder why AMD is not releasing the high end Navi 20 first before the low end as historically high end cards have been released first.

It may have to do with getting ray tracing finalized for the high end segments.
I am guessing 7nm big die is too expensive and AMD does not really want $1000+ GPU.

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I'm not saying they won't have a competitor at the high end, I just don't think it will be announced before or at the same time as the mid range cards.

Yeah, I dont expect Ti killer announcement, but we know they're working on one. Announcing that would steal the show, which is what AMD does not want. "Mainstream gaming for all", right?

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To be perfectly honest I think that's the right move and it's one that I'm happy with. Too much R&D to make a super high end GPU that won't sell anyway, even if it did manage to perform better than current high end. AMD's obviously found a niche selling massive amounts of low to mid range cards so why not focus on what makes you money? Still, I would like to see something close the VII (in gaming) but cheaper.
I agree, and it makes sense. AMD's main GPU niche is in low end GPU's for consoles and such (Google stadia) which directly lends itself to the lower end of consumer GPU's. Nvidia's niche is enterprise level deep learning and AI server GPU's which directly lends itself to high end consumer GPU's.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see these two niche's continue to grow apart from each other in the future.

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Yeah, I dont expect Ti killer announcement, but we know they're working on one. Announcing that would steal the show, which is what AMD does not want. "Mainstream gaming for all", right?
I'm not so sure that they are to be honest. Maybe with whatever comes after navi and GCN is replaced. As it stands, nothing more than a node shrink on the 2080ti would be needed to completely circumvent a rival to the 2080ti, and would that level of investment even be worth it for the time being?



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Idk AMD currently has those segments won in terms of p/p. Nvidia dropped the ball trying to raise the price point of their low/mid end and Intel just isn't offing anything attractive when compared to Zen low-mid end.
And yet no one is buying them. Look at the RX570. It's $130, and MUCH faster than nVidia's 1050 Ti which goes for at least 10% more money. You get two new free games with the RX 570 at that price, and yet it's not to be found anywhere on Steam...

Gamers need to start rewarding AMD when they deserve it. If Navi does the same thing, I'm afraid it's not enough. I'm even starting to think that if we get RTX 2080 level of performance at $200 from AMD, it still would not be enough.
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