Originally Posted by nonametoclaim
a survey is just that though. ever watch family feud and think WTH kinda answer is that, and it turns out to be the number one? i had looked at their polls recently and thought "wow, no one uses the rx 5**s but thats just what it is, a survey based on the people that actually participated. you would also think there's no wait time for a GTAV MP match based on their stats. but guess again.
Steam should just ammend their EULA and make the hardware survey mandatory and they just collect data from every user each month. With the shady things other companies are doing, getting anonymous hardware usage for games is pretty low on the list.
Originally Posted by Gunderman456
It can't be more expensive then the Radeon VII since that is a Pro card with HBM and Navi would be a gaming card with GDDR6.
So they wait till the 7nm process becomes even cheaper and let Nvidia catch up and trounce them?
They've had die shrinks before without price hikes, let's not start with Navi 20 is $1000+ because of a die shrink excuse (for the love of...) like 2080Ti is $1200+ because of leftover Pro architecture no one asked for or wanted sold to gamers as a gaming card with little ray tracing support that can't be used effectively anyway.
A 7nm "big die" would be more expensive than VII. The whole definition of the big die GPU is that it is the largest die of that generation. It would not only be as large or larger of a die as Vega is, but it would yet again use HBM and end up higher cost than VII is.
DIe shrinks without price hikes were way back in the 30nm and larger days. Back then they had advancements that kept things on single patterning process. A while agfo they switched to double patterning, and in 7nm they use quad patterning. This exponentially raises costs. They simply must do more patterns to create transistors because the light source is only so small. That is why the industry has been waiting on Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography for so long, because the new light source is significantly smaller and will allow the nodes to go back to single patterning process. While the cost of the light source is much more expensive, the reduction of quad to single pattern will drastically reduce costs while increasing transistor accuracy. Leading to a better process node with less leakage and higher speed. Without EUV or other new light source, it is impossible to ever have a cost reduction of node change ever again.
They are also working on advancements in nanoprint lithography that may replace EUV at some point too. NIL is single pattern, and does not use the expensive light source and optics like EUV. We have heard promises of it before though and it always failed, however it looks more promising this time with Toshiba doing actual testing on using it for 3D NAND production. They are using a newer advancement called J-FIL, which is a nanoimprint type. If they succeed, it may pave the way for a drastically lower cost process node for things that like NAND, memory cells like HBM and maybe even DRAM, and possibly even mobile processors. But for now, EUV is what things are moving to as Samsung is about to launch their 7nm EUV process. And TSMC is about to launch 7nm+ with EUV.