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"Only"? What's wrong with that? The only thing faster is the 2080Ti, and look how much that costs. AMD has tried playing the fastest gaming card multiple times, and it didn't pan out for them. The R9 290X beat their titan at much cheaper prices, and still barely anyone bought it in comparison to how many nVidia cards people buy.

AMD is going to focus on "mainstream" prices first. That used to be $200-$300 during the Polaris days. Maybe now that's $400-$500. We'll see. But the top end will come later. But I doubt they would be incapable of beating out their own Radeon VII, which is currently in 1080Ti/2080 territory.
i think you're forgetting a few things. those blower coolers on hawaii did AMD no favors while in the meantime nv releases the 780ti a few day later for $700 ($150 more for ~5%-7% better) and dropped the price of the 780 to $500 ($50 less for ~5% less 290x) that all would have AIB coolers.

srly idk, i don't have much hope in releasing "mainstream" (1080p) performance and trying to scale up than going for broke at 4K gaming and scaling down. yeah, i wanna see a big bang.

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AMD's first post-GCN architecture is Navi which is where most of the improvements in performance comes from as it is an aging architecture, something Navi really changes up on its first go post-Polaris and Vega. I don't have any GPU-specific details to share other than the news of the launch at E3 2019 and its performance (beats Vega 64 and competes at times with the RTX 2080)
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hoping we can get something in the 2070/2070ti performance range at the sub $500us mark
that would be awful. I can get a brand new RTX 2070 here for 490€ and deals on the Vega 64 go as low as 350€

AMD needs something much better than 2070 performance at 500$. AMD needs something disruptive. Maybe RTX 2070 performance for 399$ with 12GB of VRAM



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that would be awful. I can get a brand new RTX 2070 here for 490€ and deals on the Vega 64 go as low as 350€

AMD needs something much better than 2070 performance at 500$. AMD needs something disruptive. Maybe RTX 2070 performance for 399$ with 12GB of VRAM
490 euros = 550 usd. and is also why i referenced a (still rumored)2070ti if navi matches a 2080 at times(a $700 usd card).

and we're talking new cards, not deals, if thats the case you could have a vega 64 here for as low as 270 euro/350 us. as far as upping the vram, the added vram on the 16gb vii didnt make a notable difference, and i doubt adding more hbm2 is gonna help the price point.

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The only thing that will disrupt the market is 2080Ti performance at $499.99, anything else from AMD will not matter. If that kind of performance comes next year, Nvidia will exceed it and then it won't matter.

AMD is walking a tight rope and if they don't do for GPU what they did in the CPU sector i.e. perf/price then they can forget the PC market and stick to CGI. I hear NASA and Space X are looking for more CGI horsepower as they will be going to Mars soon and will be needing better pics of that black hole.

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The only thing that will disrupt the market is 2080Ti performance at $499.99, anything else from AMD will not matter. If that kind of performance comes next year, Nvidia will exceed it and then it won't matter.

AMD is walking a tight rope and if they don't do for GPU what they did in the CPU sector i.e. perf/price then they can forget the PC market and stick to CGI. I hear NASA and Space X are looking for more CGI horsepower as they will be going to Mars soon and will be needing better pics of that black hole.
If they made an updated Hawaii clone that ran at 2+Ghz, that would compete with a 2070 and a 2160 or so.
It would be pretty good, great even, if Nvidia weren't so far ahead.

There are so many mainstream cards right now, if another one came out you may as well toss it on the pile.

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If they made an updated Hawaii clone that ran at 2+Ghz, that would compete with a 2070 and a 2160 or so.
It would be pretty good, great even, if Nvidia weren't so far ahead.

There are so many mainstream cards right now, if another one came out you may as well toss it on the pile.
Exactly, make cards that match a preexisting selection and affix the same sticker price, or worse up the price because it has some extra crap on it no one wants or can use has been the trend of late from both sides. Greedy - choice words - thought they could maintain mining prices and everyone would trot along.

We want a gaming line that will kick-ass at every level with kick-ass prices to boot from AMD. Alternately, match performance at kick-ass prices.

The Radeon VII was not the way to do things. The Radeon VII matched the performance of the RTX 2080, a rehash of a rehash (1080Ti) at the same price point that no one wanted.

Otherwise, AMD's present 18% mind share might as well go down to 2% ultimately representing legacy hardware.

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Exactly, make cards that match a preexisting selection and affix the same sticker price, or worse up the price because it has some extra crap on it no one wants or can use has been the trend of late from both sides. Greedy - choice words - thought they could maintain mining prices and everyone would trot along.

We want a gaming line that will kick-ass at every level with kick-ass prices to boot from AMD. Alternately, match performance at kick-ass prices.

The Radeon VII was not the way to do things. The Radeon VII matched the performance of the RTX 2080, a rehash of a rehash (1080Ti) at the same price point that no one wanted.

Otherwise, AMD's present 18% mind share might as well go down to 2% ultimately representing legacy hardware.
It's a tough market. Even if Navi were the beast I conjectured, it would have to sell for a bit less than Nvidia's next gen x60 to sell well. What can Intel do? Maybe they will come out with some igpu cpu assist if you get the matching gen cpu/mobo/gpu combo that will enable a disgusting number of npc's to be present in some games (could be neat for vr until you never want to go back). But they will probably just match the new mainstream and add price pressure.

Maybe we've just had gpus at, or exceeding the current mainstream level for too long. I was thinking about getting the next x80 Nvidia and sticking at 4k60 to maintain my current framerate in upcoming games and passing a 1080ti to my daughter, (was her idea). But she plays 1080p60 so how will she even know if she doesn't go looking for system info? I recently switched her to a $120 old miner Fury Nitro so an aio 1080ti would just be louder.

First world problems. I suppose selling some is certainly better than none. And there are a lot of console players as a potential market.

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If people stopped attributing Jim Keller mystic powers that would be great.
I mean, his track-record pretty much speaks for itself. I think you are really having a hard time wrapping your head around the true miracle that Zen represents and how utterly impossible Keller's task was when he got the job at AMD. Their CPU division was effectively dead, they had no resources, and were facing off against the most Goliath-like machine in the tech world and what happened? AMD changed the entire paradigm of the CPU industry literally overnight. Was it all due to Keller? Of course not, but there's nothing to suggest that he isn't the mythical miracle-worker that he's portrayed as either...


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, for older products like Vega and Polaris they've tried to hype the crowd, and final products did not meet the hype expectations.
Or their very own claims... ("Up to 2,8x more efficiency" over r9 290, in the end of the day it was Like 1,7.... Or who rememvers "overclockers Dream"?)
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