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[G3D] Rumor: AMD Seeds Board partners Ryzen 3000 Samples - Runs 4.5 GHz and show 15% Extra IPC

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Well, loads of AMD related news today. Earlier today in this news item we discussed the X570 chipset, well, that same source mentions some more spicy info on their website. Apparently, AMD Ryzen samples have been sent to motherboard manufacturers for product validation, these engineering samples already run 4.5 GHz.

Yes, the same source, a Bilibili user called Ito Technology claims that motherboard manufacturers have Ryzen 3000 engineering samples (ZEN2) in house based on 4 to 8 cores. Typically, and I do say this with a bit of hesitation and care, engineering samples run slower opposed to the final SKUs. Apparently, the manufacturers are also preparing for CPUs with 12 and 16 cores (well yeah .. doh!).

While these engineering samples reportedly are running 4.5 GHz, IPC improvements also are mentioned to be 15% clock for clock. With these variables, the power consumption would be totally under control. It is also suggested that the memory controller shows some improvements, albeit not huge. Then again memory bandwidth never was an issue, latency however was and that should have been addressed by the chiplet design.

Obvious disclaimer; we cannot vouch for this information whatsoever and have classified it as a rumor.
Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ru...extra-ipc.html

Short article so I quote the whole thing. AMD closing that gap more and more. 4.5ghz stock for ryzen with a 15% IPC improvement is definitely enough for me to jump ship at this point.

Edit: probably should have put this in the rumors section. Mod please move if needed. My mistake.

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If AMD was able to magically improve IPC by 15% I'll buy one on launch day.

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If AMD was able to magically improve IPC by 15% I'll buy one on launch day.
Why do you say it like that? 15% isn't huge, does that not seem possible?

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15% IPC with a 200mhz clock bump is a pretty nice generation gain.

It will be interesting to see how it stacks up against intel. 9900k could look bad, like really bad here if all things work out well for AMD.

Id be tempted to jump **** but trying to sell mobo/cpu on the used market is such a pain.
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Quote: Originally Posted by UltraMega View Post
Why do you say it like that? 15% isn't huge, does that not seem possible?
15% IPC increase over Zen+ would match SkyLake(SKL-Coffee Lake since IPC hasn't increased) in task that latency affected Zen/Zen+ like handbrake and some other games. I don't think we'll see an overall 15% increase in IPC.

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IPC in what?
Cpus can do a lot of things that I don't really care about.
Zen is good at a lot of things, and I'm guessing this gen will be even better with Cinebench and compute heavy tasks, and I suspect it will be worse at random, non cached tasks due to added ram latency.

But I will wait on reviews to find out if it works well with my uses.

30% more operations per core per second in some applications mean little to me if it doesn't improve my uses at all.
I'm not saying there aren't people that have a legitimate use for a ton of compute out of a cpu that games like a quad core Haswell. 16 OCd cores at 4.7ghz would be a tremendous amount of power I would never use. But if someone would have a use, it would be awesome for them.

I couldn't convince myself to go after a used multisocket Xeon setup either.

I'll just go be negative somewhere else :/

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Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
If AMD was able to magically improve IPC by 15% I'll buy one on launch day.
Well it's not going to be "Magic" so much as architecture improvements and hard work

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This was said by someone on the G3D forum. I couldn't have said this better, so I am quoting:

"I find the 15% claim too good to be true. According to Guru3D's benchmarks, the 9900K is only about 3.4% better in IPC compared to the 2700X. A 15% boost would mean Zen 2 will have a 11.6% IPC advantage over the 9900K!

A 15% boost in single-threaded performance would be more realistic (that would make it nearly as fast as the 9900K), based on both IPC and clock speed improvements."

If this turns out to be true we are going to see an interesting price war, hopefully.

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Quote: Originally Posted by UltraMega View Post
This was said by someone on the G3D forum. I couldn't have said this better, so I am quoting:

"I find the 15% claim too good to be true. According to Guru3D's benchmarks, the 9900K is only about 3.4% better in IPC compared to the 2700X. A 15% boost would mean Zen 2 will have a 11.6% IPC advantage over the 9900K!

A 15% boost in single-threaded performance would be more realistic (that would make it nearly as fast as the 9900K), based on both IPC and clock speed improvements."

If this turns out to be true we are going to see an interesting price war, hopefully.
Well consider this...

9900k is 14nm processor.

Zen 2 is 7nm.

I don't think that it's too good to be true. More like the space savings of half the nm scale of the Intel CPU leaves room on the package that is better filled with Cache increases. So while I believe that a 15% increase is a bit pie in the sky, I also know that increasing the Cache packages could meet that expectation.

Also stop to consider how much of an increase 2*** series was over its predacessors. iirc, that in itself was a 15% gain over the spectrum compared to 1*** series.

I certainly do not see AMD launching Zen 2 using a water chiller an playing like it's an "oops".

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