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post #31 of 54 (permalink) Old 05-11-2019, 04:42 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Raghar View Post
14 nm is called how to get heat out of square that has higher thermal density than an electric heater. 7 nm is at least twice as hard to cool. Placing FIVR with its 80 percent efficiency under the same heatsink would be quite bad move. Especially CPUs with multiple layers would be restricted by thermals.

FIVR for VCCIO, or VCCSA would make some sense, but there is practically zero point in concentrating heat and power density to CPU on desktop.
CML-S (i.e. a 10C Coffee Lake) in question is a 14nm part.

The 80% efficiency for FIVR was for it's first iteration, on 22nm process.
I haven't seen any other numbers being released, but I'd suspect the efficiency on more recent implementations is at least somewhat more efficient.
Technically the efficiency could be increased by lowering the FIVR fSW and compensating it elsewhere in the silicon design.

Implementing FIVR or dLDO (AMD) will be more common in the future, as the node sizes will continue to shrink.
We are already at a point where the CPU voltages remain under 1.200V in high performance (clock) states. Since we are stuck with 12V VRM input voltage, we cannot go much below 1.200V output (i.e. 10% DC)
while maintaining a decent efficiency at high currents. FIVR / dLDOs are the future, unless we get a new ATX standard with the existing high current 12V replaced with e.g. a 8V one.
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Very little performance upgrade, expensive cpu and it requires a new motherboard socket and most likely their next gen after this will also require a new socket. Intel is really shooting themselves on their feet. You have to be a delusional fanboy at this point to even consider buying their cpu.

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I don't really have an issue with this. I know it bothers some people but I hate the possibility of limitations due to maintaining backwards compatibility. I would much rather have as much new stuff as possible with each release than have the ability to use an old motherboard.

I know that those reasons may not be why they do it, they sell chipsets as well as processors, but I am going to buy a new motherboard anyways. I have no use for a processor with no motherboard to put it in so I always get a new one with the new processor so that I can do something with the processor I am replacing.
The issue is no one will ever invest a good motherboard for Intel.

People want a simple upgrade, not an overhaul of the entire system every 1-2 years. Mind you.


Forget about ditching all the money to the drain in ur previous MB purchase, you still have to un-pluck and unscrew everything unlike popping a new CPU into the socket.

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The issue is no one will ever invest a good motherboard for Intel.

People want a simple upgrade, not an overhaul of the entire system every 1-2 years. Mind you.


Forget about ditching all the money to the drain in ur previous MB purchase, you still have to un-pluck and unscrew everything unlike popping a new CPU into the socket.

Say what? I guarantee that more people invest in expensive motherboards for Intel than AMD, even if they had to buy a new one every release. Some even buy multiple expensive boards in the same generation, just trying to find a few hundred more mhz. I replace them every time and still buy the expensive boards (not the crazy expensive ones but..), and that's without reselling anything. To me it's more fun to build a new computer with each upgrade (but I don't always upgrade every year) and move the machine I'm replacing to work. I don't think I am alone in this, might not even be in the minority.

I think people vastly underestimate how much people actually spend on their hobbies, especially inexpensive ones like PC's.

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This only really sucks for people that buy a very good MB with their current CPU and want to just upgrade CPU.
this is now why I don't go all out on mobos.

I have a raid card that'll kick any in-board solution. I've gotta top tier wifi/bluetooth card, & i've got external sound that trumps any supremeFX nonsense. The only thing you miss are all those USB ports the fancy boards come with, but there are solutions around that too.

boom, I just rendered that extra $300+ folks pay useless.

it;s whatever, & 100% expected after ten+ years into this cycle... I'm not a rocket surgeon, nor a systems architecture doctor, i just do the pew pew.

all hail asus prime series! running 5.3/3k on a 9700k n under $100 memory kit.

The fancy boards made more sense back in the day when the ones below had truly TERRIBLE bios. But that's not the case anymore. You don't have to buy ROG tier to get a decently englished bios anymore.
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Why people feel the need to upgrade every generation (and I use that term loosely since we've been stuck on is it 16 or 14 or 12nm+++ - aren't they all the same?) is beyond me.

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IPC wise, since Haswell Intel changed the socket for the same CPU's and iGPU that no one really needed.
That 1150 socket is a mess. I have 2 8 series and 2 9 series from then. One 8 (H81t R2.0) and one 9 will run my adapted 4980hq (the Haswell version of the Broadwell-c). It is less like the 4770k than Skylake is. The 9 series boards that run Broadwell-c are hit or miss and not even consistent for the same brand. One 9 (Z97 Classified) will run my 5770c well and run my adapted 5950hq. The other (ROG VII Hero) struggles with a 5775c and won't run adaptations. The H81 even overclocks the 4980hq since it hasn't been told not to.

The 9s boot nvme natively, but that ability can be given to earlier chipsets.

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That 1150 socket is a mess. I have 2 8 series and 2 9 series from then. One 8 (H81t R2.0) and one 9 will run my adapted 4980hq (the Haswell version of the Broadwell-c). It is less like the 4770k than Skylake is. The 9 series boards that run Broadwell-c are hit or miss and not even consistent for the same brand. One 9 (Z97 Classified) will run my 5770c well and run my adapted 5950hq. The other (ROG VII Hero) struggles with a 5775c and won't run adaptations. The H81 even overclocks the 4980hq since it hasn't been told not to.

The 9s boot nvme natively, but that ability can be given to earlier chipsets.

Seems like mostly just software limitations to me.

I see no point to even consider this socket anymore, since there is already LGA 2066 with a wide choice of CPU's. Long live TR4.
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this is now why I don't go all out on mobos.

I have a raid card that'll kick any in-board solution. I've gotta top tier wifi/bluetooth card, & i've got external sound that trumps any supremeFX nonsense. The only thing you miss are all those USB ports the fancy boards come with, but there are solutions around that too.

boom, I just rendered that extra $300+ folks pay useless.

The fancy boards made more sense back in the day when the ones below had truly TERRIBLE bios. But that's not the case anymore. You don't have to buy ROG tier to get a decently englished bios anymore.
I pay that extra $300+ for quality VRMs, PCI-E spacing and NVME ports, Couldnt careless about sound chip/wifi/bluetooth ect.


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I see no point to even consider this socket anymore, since there is already LGA 2066 with a wide choice of CPU's. Long live TR4.
That's fine, every newer socket is better. I was just pointing out that a lot of stuff isn't dependent on the chipset hardware and that this need for new mobos is largely just made up by Intel.

My pcie optane runs just as well in an 1150 as it does in an 1151. My bga1364 chips run fine in lga1150 sockets with adapters. That 4980hq isn't supported in that H81, and has a whole separate memory controller, and still runs fine. https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/16735111 I even have sodimms running in my living room "htpc" Z97 with sodimm to dimm adapters. https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/15869503

If they think the curent 1151 doesn't suply enough power, who do they think is going to be able to cool these things? Not the majority of their customer base.

Intel doesn't need a new socket and chipset, they just want one.

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