Originally Posted by Gunderman456
Apparently this last leak was from Sapphire themselves, can't be bothered to look into it and I'm getting to the point of indifference.
Companies want to make as much money as possible and we have let them do it for far too long. We are to blame although I'd think AMD should have taken pause when they have witnessed Nvidia's decline this last gen and they themselves can't sell those 5000 Radeon VIIs.
They want to sell Navi at $399 and $499 dollars are they nuts? Fastest Navi being released this year that may or may not hit the Vega 64 (now selling for $399) mark . Is AMD smoking weed? Vega 56 is selling for $299 and Vega 64 is selling for $399 and they want to release cards that may not even hit that high for $399 and $499?
Can no one see that they will not only be competing with Nvidia which have the superior products overall but they will also be competing with themselves? They already have the Vegas that will most likely remain superior to the Navi line up (at least for this year) and are selling for a lot less then $399 and $499.
Sapphire may have leaked the info on purpose as a trial balloon and I'm telling Sapphire and AMD to go stuff themselves.
If this leak/test comes to fruition. This hobby is dead to me.
I'd like to dedicate this rant to every gamer generation of Titan owners and the RTX 2080Ti owners. Thanks guys!
Pretty sure the 5000 Number for the Radeon VII are not true at all. It was just a rumor. An online store here has a counter of how many units they have sold and they sold a total of over 1200 Radeon Vega VII cards and that is just one store in small country.
Well there is more to a card than just raw performance. We have to see the full product first. I agree that the Vega 56 and 64 might make a better deal than the Navi cards, but we have to see the exact cards and market prices to know for sure. They could still make for a compelling deal, but I agree that $499 for RTX 2070 performance would be a huge disappointment and I am certain that if this is true then that card is going to sit in the shelves for eternity.
We have to see what "stronger than 2070" actually meant. There is a lot of room between the 2070 and 2080 and if the $500 Navi card falls closer to the 2080, has good perf/watt, good VRAM then it might be not as bad. It is still to early to freak out, but like I said I agree that if AMD thinks they can sell Navi for $399 (2060~) and $499 (2070~) then they are in for a world of hurt because the RTX cards will outsell them 20:1 and even the old Vega cards might move more volume.
I agree with your rant about Titan and 2080 Ti owners to a degree that they took the bait by Nvidia of trying to milk their fans even further. I know there is more to it including AMDs lack of competition, but in the end we have those extremely high prices in the RTX series now, because people couldn't sit still and vote with their wallets and instead opted to buy ridiculously overpriced products.
But that is just how it works. Supply and demand. How much are people willing to pay. People are too afraid to miss out on performance.
A friend of mine is like that. He can't enjoy games if he doesn't have the latest and greatest. He simply couldn't buy an RTX 2080 or 2070. If he is going to buy it has to be the RTX 2080 Ti even though that means $600 more for turning the shadows to ultra instead of high or playing at 170fps instead of 140.
He is always afraid that a new game comes out that is simply not running well on a not-top-of-the-line-card.
Well enough rant of people buying overpriced products and allowing Nvidia to further the milking in the next generation.
I don't know about Sapphire leaking it on purpose, but I am certain that Nvidia did it in the past testing how people respond to prices of cards like Titans or 1080 Ti. Leaking prices that are too high (1350$ for a Titan X) but then selling it for 999$ making stupid consumers think they got a deal, but in reality they got screwed out of a thousand bucks.
Well however I think we should stay calm and wait for Navi. If it is underwhelming I do what I always do -> don't buy it and if it is good then I will weigh my options and see what I will buy. I managed to play the "voting with my wallet"-game for the last 5 years. Sadly other people didn't and the Nvidia high end cards now cost $1300 instead of $499.